953. - Shaad D’Souza

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Chris Black coming to you from a shockingly rainy London. I'm here at the Londoner with my esteemed co-host. them jeans aka jason stewart he's wearing his shorts today hello hello uh we had a big night out last night uh at a restaurant that i can't remember the name what was the restaurant called one dog down no no no alley street no your last word is road the first word is one one it was great i really liked it in shoreditch unfortunately so that was unfortunate just keep talking we made some new we made some new friends old friends it was a great you know jason drank too much um You guys can really drink over here, man. I'll tell you what. Jason was in his bag. He was in it, man. When I saw you this morning at the gym, I could tell. One Club Road. One Club Road. It was delicious. Great restaurant. Great restaurant. And I was happy to go to Shortage. I haven't been there in, I don't know, five plus years on purpose. Hasn't changed a bit, huh? Nope, still depressing, still full of young people. Okay, you can talk now, bitch. Okay, hey, what's up? Shad's here. By the way, Shad is in the rare and direct live from the hotel room with a guest. Shad, one of the few to ever do this. Taking up Chalita's sloppy seconds, is my understanding. Wouldn't be the first time.

Just kidding. Could be sloppy fourths, actually. Sloppy fourths. None of us are skinny enough for her, so that's not going to work. So true, so true. I didn't mean it like that. I mean other podcast guests that may have fallen through. And I meant I was taking her sloppy seconds for the second time. We love to have a recurring character on how long gone. You're one of those characters. Especially a journalist, because you already came with topics like your Subway Takes Notes app folder. Do you want me to just listen? and we can just decide what we want to go through no no i don't want you to do that it's it's funny well how many of them are there total there's Six and four of them are really good. Okay, Sean, also, I want to be clear. We're going to do four, and I'll tell you when we're going to do four. Jason and I look our normal selves. Sean has seemed to put on a look for this event. This is how I dress normally. I wish it wasn't true. This is how I dress normally. This is how he looks going to Best Buy. It is, well, if we had one of those here. These jeans have embroideries of butterflies on them? Yep, they are from the Allegacy Men's Collection. They look cool. I obviously we couldn't pull them off, but he said our legacy for our listeners at home, our legacy. Look, we have an international audience and you said it in a very niche kind of way. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. They don't even have, they don't even have Alex in Australia. Just kidding. That's yeah. Right. Yeah. They have it. Australia is our legacy of the country. Yeah, except, you know, the stuff that gets sent over there is like the much more conservative stuff. And is this our legacy men's or women's? This is men's. Do they do anything in the rear? Is it cut a little differently in the ass? Those do look good. They fit you nicely. They look good. Even though you're limping, I was able to... Your gait is distracting, but the jeans look good. I do have what we might call club foot. He has a club foot, bro. I have club foot, which is what I'm calling my tendonitis that I got from the club on the weekend.

He said he was at the club and went up and down the stairs too many times and it gave him tendonitis. Bro, how long were you at the club? Like six hours. Tendonitis is like from years of weightlifting or playing tennis. I've been to that club like ten times. It was the final night of Lost. Are you guys familiar with Lost? Lost the TV show. Classic. Yeah, they got Lost. Stuck on the island. Lost the club in London. I feel like that show ended a long time ago. Lost the club in a former cinema. I've heard of it. I've heard of it. Heavy room. um charlie and george was there oliver rodrigo was there oh wearing a little stripey agnes b style long sleeve for friendship as opposed to what sex agnes b sweater what a timeless look yeah um no we only we talked briefly we talked briefly um harrison doing a full techno set Yeah, miss me with that. Love you, bro, but I don't need to see all that shit. Chalita and Jasmine, they're Chalita screaming on the phone to someone trying to get her in outside. It was amazing. It was just classic London night, and then I ended up with a club injury. So that's why I'm limping. You know, this is funny you bring this up because DJ Them Jeans famously... I broke my ankle. He had a club injury that kept him off the court for six weeks. Got a full leg cast. Really? Three months. I know a girl in Melbourne who had a baby and didn't cancel any of her bookings and she was DJing sitting in a chair. for a few weeks. I think we're not far off from DJs sitting in chairs. That feels like a recession indicator. I mean, yeah, if you can't take maternity leave from your career as a rising DJ. I think she just wanted to. Don't bring up women's rights. That's not what we talk about in this podcast. Keep that shit to yourself, bro. Keep that shit to yourself. Hate them, hate them. No, we love them, but we just want the rights to be kept in check. Of course. The voting stuff has gone a little too far. Some rights are great. Okay, so your knee, have you seen a specialist? young to be having problems not my knee it's my foot so we're walk me through the pain yeah yeah briefly it's on the top of my foot top i think it's it's not plantar fasciitis it's the top of your foot which which manolos were you wearing that night i think it's from i think it's from a pair of shoes that i was that i'd worn out for the first name it name it name them our legacy they were our legacy sneakers

Well, first of all, our legacy is not a place we're going for sneakers. It is. Unfortunately, it is, though. Are they square toe sneakers? No, they're like of a hiking style, but they're made all of leather, so they're very heavy. okay he said never worn these before gonna do six hours at the club up and down stairs all night let's wear these shoes well you were how you wanted to get your little look off but i mean the thing is there's no phones allowed in the club anyway the look was about really i saw a lot of pictures from that night i know i know well i have a trick i have a trick to get my phone we'll get to that um but Uh, it was more just, I, the look was for an earlier event and then we went straight to the club. Okay. So you didn't, so you're like a working woman in New York. You keep your hokas in your purse and you change out of the Manolas, but you forgot. I don't know. I don't have any comfort. These are my most comfortable shoes. They don't really go with this outfit. Um, what are those? Arc'teryx crag. Yeah. Yeah. They're slip on. They're cool. Yeah. I like them. They're kind of, cause I wanted like a dance go clog. Like those are, those are secretly uncomfortable. I've heard that. Yeah, good. But this is kind of like the better, the easier to get version of a dance code clogs. Dance code clogs are amazing if you're standing. If you're trying to walk. I had a pair probably eight years ago. Do you feel like the Japanese grandma with the wooden blocky flip-flops? No, I mean, that's what it is, basically. I just was like, I love the way these look. I think they're so cool. As soon as I started walking down them, I felt like I was... on Sex and the City trying to, like, shake my fang down Avenue A. It did not work. That's kind of what you are doing, right? Trying to shake your fang down Avenue A. Always. But I was just blown away by how, I was like, oh, I know our chefs wear these because they're just standing. Well, so I, in Melbourne, like, all the kind of, like, hot, cool girls who, like, want comfortable blocky shoes have them. I didn't realize they made them in men's sizes until I saw Jake only wears dance girls. Yeah. Well, and Uggs.

Oh, yeah, and Uggs, but Uggs is for home. Although he has one Uggs on set. He also doesn't move a lot. He's like a line cook as far as his movement goes. You can get one for home and one for, you know, away. It's nice to have an Ugg. They look great. They really do look great. They really do look cool, but I just can't. I think you would be in pain. I can't wear an Uggs. As long as your Dansko is not white, I think it's kind of okay. Once a man is wearing a white Dansko, it gets very difficult. The black Dansko has like a gravitas to it. Yeah, it's cool. And they're also, they're not cheap. The leather, no, they are cheap. No, they're not. They're like 200 bucks. Oh. Sweetie, that's expensive for you. Shad, it's an orthopedic claw. He's on a writer's budget. He doesn't think that's very expensive. But like when you incorporate them into like the rest of what you own, right, that's expensive if you're buying them for the purpose that you're buying them for. I'm looking at the market as a whole, Shad. I'm not looking at your little twisted closet that you probably need to slow down on if you really want to get into it. I do need to slow down. And Liam has told me if you get more shoes, you have to get rid of some other shoes. Welcome to my life. Same thing. One in, one out. The Palace 95s. Yeah, but do you institute that rule for yourself or is somebody else telling you one in, one out? Someone else in my life is telling me one in, one out. Jason, it's Jason. There's right now when I get home. There's six pairs of shoes probably at our front door in the box, unworn, that I'm like, I need these, but she's like, you don't need these. Well, that's not my problem. I don't have room in my tiny little hovel for boxes of shoes. But one in, one out is a good policy. Well, he's saying that this is outside his... His apartment. No, no, no. It's in the entryway. It's a common New York thing where you keep... I've seen videos. I've seen your How to Spend It apartment tour. Yeah, my shoes weren't featured. Nothing was featured. There's nothing in the video. Exactly. Your house looked very warm on that episode. Warm, like, temperature-wise? Unusually warm.

Living-wise. Not temperature. Sure. I mean, maybe a little bit. I don't know why people are so... It's a pretty normal apartment. Did you see Natasha Stagg through shade at Residence of Chibeca in the recent Echol Slatter newsletter? No, but I... What a sentence. That's a lot going on. But I'm happy to hear that Chibeca is catching on. Well, she was like Residence of this one tower, which I know you live in, trying to make Chibeca happen. Well... That's what she said, sir. Maybe Natasha is in on the joke because you have to know we're joking. Natasha's thing, and I love her, I think she's amazing, but her thing is that she... is somehow allowed to critique everything that happens in New York, even though she's clearly part of some of those things. You know what I'm saying? Well, I think it's best coming from people that's part of those things. So true. Nothing about us without us. Yeah. I mean, that's what we do too. I'm not talking about NASCAR. I don't know shit about it. I'm only talking about cool guys and the dare playing techno because that's what I understand. Do you understand? No, I don't, but I understand why I don't need it. I understand enough to be like, I'm good. It's not the hardest music to get. Your head wrapped around. It's the hardest music to enjoy if you have a brain. But otherwise, I think it's... It's no ambient jazz, you know? Sure. Tougher. Because I know you're listening to a lot of ambient jazz. I would choose almost anything over techno. Actually. I love giving t-shirt vibes. But in a club, I understand that that's the setting for it. I'm not... What about like... You'd listen to EDM over techno? Well, I guess let me ask you guys. EDM greater than symbol. Let me ask two experts since I have you. But there's so many different flavors of both techno and EDM, so I don't think we could just do a general blanket. Hundreds of micro-genres. I'm talking micro-genre. I'm not talking about this cookie-cutter bullshit. This ain't your nan's fucking techno, man. You know Fred again? Didn't think so. I know there's different varietals. I'm just not super well-versed in the varietals. I don't know. Is there seasonal techno? Is there summer?

kind of summer weight techno. I would argue there is. That's what I thought. Summer weight techno. It's like daytime. Yeah, sure. Day party techno. It's easier to make micro genres in techno now because of AI. You can just take a Taylor Swift song and put it over a techno beat and you have a summery techno song. I meant more. But in Fortet's love story remix that he plays at every show. Who plays it? Fortet. What does he play? A remix of Love Story. I hate that. It's for his daughter. I don't give a fuck. I hate it too. I hate when people are like, my daughter likes Sarah Swift. You're an adult. Drag to the recycling bin. Delete it. Can't do it, fam. I bet Fortet low-key. got some cash though and she's coming after it i mean he plays huge huge no he makes a tidy sum of money but i think he lives pretty once fredigan once fredigan made him famous i bet it's really changed his life i in my mind the fredigan stuff happened look i don't want to speculate you know if i was fortet and i needed a bunch of money because my wife took half I would be like, fuck, I guess I got to hang out with Fred again. That's his Oasis tour. His Oasis reunion tour is like, all right, Fred again, I'm going to answer your call this time. Where are we playing, bro? How much I get? And then he looks so happy on stage because he's like, wow, there's so many people here. This is what it could be like. Having so much fun. The power of EDM. I think I actually like Fortat. I don't, I think I've listened to it and I've liked it in the, in the past. It's like fundamentally really good. And it's like, well, he was, he was the guy, the like pitchforky dance producer. Don't bring pitchfork into this. No, but you know, it's like, it's like very like mid nineties. Oh, you're saying it's for us dumb dumbs to understand. I mean, I said as a pitchfork writer, but yeah, it's, it's like, you know, the, the dance music that everyone can enjoy. It's indie dance 1.0. But he's the OG. So it's, he's the OG. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so it's not like techno basement. He's the godfather of the patient's hero of indie dance music. Okay, okay. I'm glad he's still alive. Yeah, we're merely suckling from his teat. Alright, what's your first topic? Yeah, get your little phone out. Your little teen phone. Teen phone. His .5 ass. This will require bleeping. Are you on the family plan? Definitely.

of your parents because you said you have a teen phone no i do have a teen phone i can't believe you can afford to pay your phone bill with all the clothes you're buying so that's it's only like 60 to 100 pounds a month depending on whether i've gone overseas and used my roaming my phone bill is astronomical you only facetimes well that's it's a that's a skill issue um i have to beep this you'll have to bleep some of this bitch daughter This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions, but how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, sort of our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world... writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative, but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools.

So those future graduates can find me and, you know, I'm able to accept quote unquote donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new, you know, 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. Show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early, and we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional as your competition, if not more. Head to squarespace.com slash howlong for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code howlong to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Next question. Okay, next question. What do you got? No follow-up questions. What do you got? Okay. You really talked a lot of shit about these topics. First one's a big F. From the top. Fail. Why has the number of gay guys in indie rock gone down in the past 10 to 20 years? Okay. Now, this is something we'll get into. Who are the top gay guys in indie rock right now? Let me tell you the lists. The drums? Block party? The drama was block party, but is he already? Yeah, I know, I know. Morrissey, Michael Stipe. But again, those are elder gays. These people are over the hill. Sofian Stevens. Is he gay? I thought he was just annoying. He's gay and annoying. One of the most overrated guys. He's a Frank Ocean level. Sleeper build, though. Yeah, he is ripped. I like that. um and he wears the like he wears just like board shots and like it it's cool that's a certain kind of gay guy though that like i look so shitty but i'm ripped so yeah yeah also he's like i bought four houses off of fucking banjo money start sucking so the gay guys in indie rock right now are like um the guy from the xx kind of orville peck if you can count that Hunks of Hunks and His Punks. Hunks and His Punks is not relevant anymore. Okay, Hunks and His Punks is not relevant. No offense. Digging deep fast. Cameron Picton, My New Band Believe. You guys heard that record? I love that record. It's really good. You put me onto that. Yeah, it's so good. Actually. And then Car Seat Headrests, debatable. No, he's Christian. You can't be gay and Christian. Okay, well, you heard it. He re-recorded his whole album, like, yay, to be Christian. You know that. I think he's more asexual. I thought he was a furry.

Well, yeah, he is. Yeah. You saw the Christian. The Christian stuff is fascinating. He re-recorded his entire hit album. I didn't realize that he recorded it to be Paul Christian. He re-recorded his entire hit album to take out the cuss word. Like, literally, yay style. Oh, wow. Really? Okay. But that does... He's probably still... He probably still feels the edges. One of our coolest How Long Gone guests of all time. It's cool to be like, I'm a... I didn't listen to that because I assumed he'd be annoying. No, he was awesome. You have to be really talented to be a Christian furry musician and cross over into... You know, mainstream. Sign a deal with Matador Records. Yeah, that's fucking very impressive. The guitarist from Nap Eyes. Perfume Genius, obviously. Perfume Genius is the number one gay guy in indie rock right now. Perfume Genius top gay guy in music. Cole from Model Actress. Okay. Stephen Merritt, again, over the hill, kind of. And then there's a lot of kind of like smaller ones. Bitch, those are the small ones. Yeah, right. But then back in the day, you had Michael Stipe, Morrissey. What about Bad Bunny? What about Maluma? It's not indie rock. It's not indie rock. I'm talking about gay guys in indie rock. Flo? Well, he's a gay guy in country, I guess. That's a good point. The only genre that has less gay guys in indie rock might be country. Well, as far as ones that are out. Yeah, ones that are out. Who is the biggest actual front page news? I have the answer to this question because all these women are in bands now. Because we got lesbians out the wazoo. Yeah, well, back in the day, it was such a male-dominated industry. Don't bring up St. Vincent on this podcast. Garage bands, indie rock bands. It was a male-dominated thing, having a female-fronted band or female-leaning band. Shirley Manson is straight. There were few and far between. There are novel acts, you know, a little Bikini Kill here, a little L7 there, whatever, garbage, like he said. But now it's so inclusive and diverse that the gay guys don't even stand out, Even if their numbers haven't declined since then. But I think their numbers have actively declined. Show me the data. Yeah, I don't think... I'll show you the list. That's not data. That's a list you typed on your phone from memory. I mean, that is impressive. Yeah, but not from memory. I've asked. It's crowdsourced. Oh, you've crowd... Oh, this is data then. Yeah, this is data. You've been doing the work. But also, you... I mean, we're all too young to really know what it was like when Morrissey was killing it in 83.

Yeah. So like we would have to consult with a true old indie head to get. I feel like Morrissey's gaydom was almost overlooked. I think because he. He didn't talk about it. He kind of presented as asexual kind of for like a long time. He left us all wondering. And then in his book. As you wore his silk blouses. I still have a piece of Morrissey's silk blouse. Like a. What? Like a small piece of it like from the Berlin Wall. From the show. Yeah. When people rip it up. You like pulled it. No. Somebody gave it to me. Wow. it's literally sequined gucci it's like a little it's like a piece that big but i have it encased in lucite that would be nice to just have frames not with like a not with a label or anything then people have to ask i gotta find it that's that's the type of thing in you know in your next house small little frame in the guest bath what's that oh that's just a piece of morrissey's gucci i don't think anybody i don't think most people that's classy why the next house well people it just felt right because i don't have a guest bathroom i think that people i think He wanted to say it, but I did it before he did it. Once he gets a place with a little powder room, then we can think about it. Jason has a second bathroom. It's mostly for dog washing, but I use it a lot. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. I just mean it's the best pisser in the house because it's not in his bedroom. Yeah, I'm just saying. But I noticed the dog soaps. You change brands, I noticed. That's all I'm saying when I go in there. Are you fucking shampoo checking? I would never shampoo check. I just notice different. I thought your whole thing was that you do shampoo check and you will always shampoo check. I thought that was kind of your whole thing. For him to move into dog shampoo is new territory. That's too dark. Dog shampoo is too dark. I guess you're not enough. authority on it so it would make it would actually let me tell you something right now i'm an authority on everything yeah do you take the dog wow you already finished the whole bottle of oatmeal cinnamon chunk do you take do you take the dog to get washed though it's oatmeal something yeah we'll do um we'll we'll spot clean it at home every once in a while ask a question about dog just a quick because if i had a dog

i would not pick up the shit and i would never i would never wash it myself like a car like i'm not washing a car myself i'm taking i hope you never get a dog then because it sounds like you're you're never picking up the shit but like i mean this is why you would never have a dog though because like have you ever had a dog oh you couldn't you couldn't yeah i used to be you it would be animal abuse to keep a dog in my apartment the problem is society holds you accountable i'm joking i know that i'm more it's saying the washing part like that because i feel like dogs don't like that right They act crazy. I think some dogs like it. Some dogs don't. It depends. Okay. Well, I just feel like it's a nice thing to take them to do. Well, I think that's more. Maybe that's why you would be. How much does it cost? More traumatizing when you take them to the groomer because you go, you drop the dog off. They get put into a little kennel and then some stranger. How much does it cost? It's like 40 bucks, something like that. [redacted address] cheaper than I thought. If you go to Petco, it's probably like 45. His dog's small. It's like SUVs. You got a big one. They charge more. We'll take the dog in maybe, I don't know, six times a year. But we'll wash in between at home. Okay, but what I'm asking is, what if you only took it in? How many times do you do that? Maybe monthly. Dude. I would never put that out. And with you, like, dog in New York, I would say... I'm not bragging about it. It's getting dirtier just, like, from the atmosphere and stuff. And also, whenever we take it out for a walk, we have these hypoallergenic aloe wipes to wipe the dirt off the paws and stuff. Because the dog, like, it goes into the bed, it goes on the couch. It is disgusting how New Yorkers just walk their dog around everywhere in these disgusting streets. Yeah, bro. It's disgusting. And then bring them back and then they go jump on their bed or whatever. There's nowhere else for the dog to sleep. I think they also have aloe wipes for the paws in New York, but it's still gross. I reckon some of the kind of- People you know don't. People that you know that live in Crown Heights don't. Asian people have the little booties. I like the booties. I think they're funny. But then you have to take the booties off and wash them. They definitely do. Yeah, but-

dishwasher say you're right you're right like people i know is what i'm because i saw you in new york i'm only saying that because asians have more of a no shoes in the house policy Not to bring up Tish, but I'm wearing shoes everywhere. I'm not playing that game. Tish? Her subway take got removed because it was too controversial. Yeah, because she was like, shoes are part of the look I'm leaving them on. And people just went nuts. That got removed? Honestly, I don't know if that's true, but maybe. I think she got called racist. Yeah, definitely. Oh my God. Because I just don't want to take shoes off because I have to bend down or sit down to take my shoes. That's crazy. like if i'm wearing sneakers i can't i need a chair it's undignified it's undignified yes yeah i agree but it's also not my culture because i also make the noise like unless there's something on the other end of that where you really want you know if they're like oh you'd have to take your shoes off and then you just go right through that hall there's a big pile of cocaine and people will start sucking your dick you're like all right i'll bend down but i don't come in here and then we're gonna drink bad wine this happened to me recently this happened to me recently where someone was like i had to like take them off. It was just a very, I need to put them back on. I was like, dude, I have to sit down. I'm not sitting on the floor to put these shoes back on. So we had to bring me a chair because I'm not, I don't understand. I can't sit. I can't. I'm giving me more. I will not sit on the floor or the ground anywhere. I will not sit on the ground of the park. I will stand. That's not true. I saw you sitting by the fence at the Sabrina Carpenter concert to get there first. So I don't know. Sorry. That's the only exception. Yeah, I got there. I got there at 6am. You were playing chess on your iPad, I believe. No, I was watching Stranger Things on my iPad. Thanks, Chris. I don't, yeah, I don't. That sounds like something you would do. I ran into you in New York. No headphones. Oh my God. No headphones, full volume. That is one of the worst things you could see. That was a joke. You can make fun of my limp all you want, but. The limp's got to go. We got to get this thing fixed. I think the limp will be gone by. Why don't you go see somebody? Go see an acupuncturist or an osteopath. I think it's one of those ailments where you just have to like, just only time can heal it. I think it's maybe also in his head.

Oh, period. You could put in a little ice. Maybe you can do an inversion. You can elevate the legs up the wall. Yeah, I've been doing that. I've been doing that a couple of days. So you've been using Claude to research how to fix it instead of going to see a professional. I proudly Google. I proudly still Google. I'm not. Not talking to the AI agents. When I saw you in New York, when I ran to you at the newsstand, isn't that poetic? I ran a shot at the newsstand. You and a gorgeous turquoise. That jacket really, my Arky in the ice blue mink color really did something. It's beautiful. It really brings out your eyes. What a color. It makes it look like a tropical fish. Just like you would never consider buying it. And then I see it on you and I'm like... Wow, it looks so good. Well, thank you. Well, I think those jackets... Jason has a nice yellow. It's meant to be the brightest color possible to me. A slicker. Yeah, but I kind of have like a... Classic Paddington style. Yeah, it's an orangey-yellow hibiscus flower. You do have a bit of a Paddington swag about you. You know, this right here is Paddington swag. What was that? Oh, goodness. I've never seen Paddington. I'm just familiar with his look. It's, you know, the guy who made Veep is writing the fourth one. That's actually cool. I know, it's really cool. I like Paddington. The next time you're like doing Christmas with Alex, you know, whatever, that's when you watch Paddington. It's heartwarming. is it christmas e it's just got christmas vibes how's christmas like the hotel lobby okay is the is the um yeah man when they sent paddington down the runway or the the red carpet You saw that, right? When it was like an animatronic? The little doll. So cool. It's crazy. It's so cool. Worth every penny. Whatever they spent on that is worth it. That's what Hollywood should be doing. It's for the Broadway show. So he's already made his money back. Or the West End show, sorry. We're in the heat of... There's theater all around us right now. There is theater all around you. I can see a Costa Coffee that's under renovation. I don't want to talk about that. And no one on the streets. I don't want to talk about Costa or Pret, if we could. Next question, Sean. Next question. Next one. Next on my list was... So let me just get it up. Ooh, this one we can't really talk about, I guess, if we couldn't talk about the first one. Recent racist pop star incident. Recent racist pop star. And this is not an Addison Rae joke. No. Who's the pop star?

No, but you'll just have to bleep it. Just do this. Oh, yeah. What did she do, though? Confused me with another South Asian music journalist. That's fine. You can't make this about you. It's a free pass. I forgot you told me this. All right, so a pop star thought you and another brown fella were the same shade. Yeah, and she doubled down and was like... No, it was definitely you. It was definitely you. but it's fine it's fine because she meets so many people clearly i just thought it was hilarious i think that that happens to me and other white guys honestly where people like i think i've met i'm like no that's just another guy i do it to people of all races all the time. You're an equal opportunity. So, yeah, because I don't remember anyone I meet, basically. So, it's actually... Well, that's why assigning a race to them makes it easy to remember all these people. Like in your phone. Not if your social network is a beautiful multi... In my phone, you're brown child. Yeah, yeah. As opposed to, yeah, because... What if Apple doesn't update in the contacts so you can add race? Well, now it does the thing where lots of people have their Memoji. It just says brown shod pitchfork. That's how I remember. Brown shod pitchfork. That's how I remember. Oh damn, brown shod pitchfork texting me again. Let me see what this motherfucker had to say. Let's see what he's got going on. Hey, you heard the new Foo Fighters song? No, it's never that. It's always something like that though. Actually, Chris, Violet Grohl rocks. I think you'd be surprised. I think we did have that conversation. I think we both agreed that Violet Grohl rocked. No, I haven't listened to Violet Grohl. I will not do that. Is that Dave Grohl's daughter? Yeah, it's kind of happening. I assume so. Is Violet Grohl... Yeah. Better than Northwest? No. Depends what you like. In terms of rockin' daughters? What does Violet Grohl sound like? It just sounds like, you know, the kind of like snail mail, soccer mommy, like that type of like. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is she writing it herself? I've only listened once and I thought it was just way better than expected. Oh, that's good to know. I'm sure they'd say she was writing it herself. I'm sure she's writing it herself and then taking it to how Rami Mars gets all her songs co-written by Claude. Oh, it's with Justin Raisin. So there's some pros in the room. There are some pros in the room. I'm not totally surprised. What does Rami Mars do?

Oh, you know, she writes her songs with Claude. Claude.mp3. Yeah, Claude.mp3. We're not talking about Claude, the AI agent. Oh, right. Sorry, no, I'm not talking about Claude. This is the Phoebe Bridger. Claude, the male AI agent. No, it's a non-binary Phoebe Bridger's associate. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. I think they are signed to Satisfactory Records. Oh, that could be true. Actually. The Phoebe Bridges, I... I heard, I got a full report from the show from a trusted source. Did the MSG show happen already? No, no, no. He went to a different one and he said the songs are good. He said it's quite good, but it is sad. And he's like, I don't know if it's about Conor Oberst or her dad or both. Is this trusted source Eric Dynas? Yes. Yeah. I've been trying to milk him for information about the Phoebe Bridges album constantly. He's like, I don't know anything. I'm so pissed I didn't get to go. Eric, let him milk. yeah exactly i can't believe i imagine having to put 15,000 phones in yonder pouches. That is the worst job on earth. Yeah, they do it pretty efficiently. Like when you go see Bob Dylan or whatever, it's like that. You know, I kept my fucking phone. You ain't getting the phone for me. I kept my phone also, but it was just due to a glitch in the yonder system. It's like when you leave a door just cracked enough. So, you know what I mean? It looks closed, but you can keep the pouch cracked. Yeah, I so do not believe in the yonder system. It seems to work, though, because I haven't seen a single fucking video. No, neither. Of Phoebe Bridgers, and she's played a lot of shows. I just think it's... I guess the difference is that the show is $1, so you really are allowed to set the terms. But if people are paying, just let them go on their phone. I agree. Stand-up's the worst. These guys think they're fucking God's gift. I'm going to hear your joke about fucking... Shut up, Tony Hinchcliffe. Back in my day, it was too... I thought the whole point of stand-up was that it's too scary to go on your phone because you might get heckled. So, you know, like, I guess, you know, if you're- You know what, stand-up is scary because going there makes you a mouth breather. That's the problem. You don't want to be with the people who are there. That's the issue with stand-up. Even if somebody's funny, you don't want to be in that crowd. I was once tricked into watching some stand-up at Permanent Records in Los Angeles. You guys familiar with this place? That sounds like an indie room.

as they would say in the biz i was there is it there they're washing machines and shit i was there to see sam gendell and blake mills play an experimental ambient jazz show in the backyard and there was there was a you do do drugs there was a it was no i like i like sam yeah and so it was there was a comedy show going on upstairs and they're like yeah if you're waiting for the show downstairs just come come sit like don't worry you can leave at any time you won't get heckled and then obviously when we went to leave we did get heckled after watching 10 minutes of the worst comedy it was all like hey so like who here goes to whole foods yeah yeah i see you in the back like you're talking about like this was jason's first time so don't don't come for him like that he's working out new stuff it's family no yes he is no i go to whole foods like four days a week yeah you know there's only for certain there's one right by us here yeah it's the only one in london oh it's the only one yeah i thought there was like there's been a whole foods nearby this whole time yeah it's right around the corner it's really good yeah it's next to the devonshire yeah like literally across the street and moulin rouge that nice little remember you took me that funny restaurant over there that was very fussy We went to like a grand basement and I had like a saucy fish for lunch. Oh, Zadel. Yeah. That place sucks. The food is bad, but the environment is- It's very cool. It's like if Disneyland made a recreation of Balthazar. Yeah, that's fair. Which is so awesome. Because it's for like a pre... I've been to the Cheesecake Factory before. It's really nice looking, I will agree. Yeah, and like the pink napkins. It's just like a weird 70s amazing place. There's also a good bar within that same complex called Le Crazy Cocks. Never mind, I haven't been to that bar before. I think I've been... Have you ever seen somebody pull their pants down and said, Matt, you have a crazy cock. I don't like to talk about my private life on the podcast. Fair enough. Okay. You think you get to tell us what we talk about on our podcast? You got it wrong. Shorty, I got a crazy cock. We respect you, but not that much. We draw the line on respect. Actually, I wanted to ask you, what's it like being famous for interviewing Charlie XCX now? How's traffic?

Traffic is really good. It's not the best performing Shard Magazine post, which is where you want it to be. You want it to be the second best. What's number one? Number one and two are just kind of random posts I did. I just wrote about some YouTubers I like who are kind of like citizen journalists. um doing like kind of really crazy really crazy just you passing my eye mask just like insane just like crazy people on the internet being like this woman this woman who has a conspiracy theory that mac has been warming up its color range for the past 20 years and she and she every single day she buys cosmetics she spends hundreds of she spends hundreds she spends hundreds of dollars on vintage mac and compares them to new mac and is like see here i have proof that this shade is not the same was i mean 20 years ago that's my best performing post just writing about her because that's pretty cool and that is that is good information similar to how people are complaining that The color palette in cinema is getting colder and colder and darker over time. Yeah, exactly. MAC is going warmer over time. Well, I think that probably speaks to a greater trend. Is that a recession indicator? The Kardashian future. You know, it's like kind of like everyone being the same kind of skin tone. That is like a warm. I wish I didn't throw all my old MAC away. It's probably worth it. I had so much under my bed in high school. I bet you guys were rocking a bit of guy liner. Never. I've never worn women's jeans or guy liner because I was never skinny enough. I think guy liner as a phrase should be brought back. Honestly, I love it. You probably think metrosexual is okay to say too then, don't you? I do. This is my next point. All right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter. more breathable, and they're just easy, but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons, well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated.

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Every guy we know now is Metro. Everyone's talking about fake bisexuals, blah, blah, blah. You can just say, oh, that guy's Metro. Because back in the day, metrosexual wasn't necessarily a derogatory term. It was just an identifier. It was derogatory. As a metro yourself. I know a lot of people who would proudly identify as a metrosexual, and they'd be flattered if somebody called you that. It was definitely derogatory. Definitely derogatory. In Orange County, we had different rules. We were all fucking gay as hell. Every straight guy I know is in cosmetology school, has pink flat iron. I understand that, but I'm saying more like... global scale i think it was like it wasn't like for people who aren't listening to the faint all the time yeah exactly that's what i'm saying it's a little bit more like it's like a you couldn't say the f word as like a you could be like fucking metro you know you could be like that guy's metro i see i see i see okay so it was like it was zesty yeah zesty he's a little he's a little light in the life there's some people that are just zesty what's the difference between zesty and gay then in this Gay, you actually do. At Zesty, we don't know. Yeah. We keep forgetting that. We forget that being gay means something. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. If you're too scared to say gay and you have to say Zesty, you're gay. No, I'm saying to you it's two different things. Well, this is what I'm saying. There's all this performative male discourse or whatever, but it's like what we're trying to find, which everyone's grasping culturally for the term metrosexual. You're kind of right. Let's bring back Details Magazine. We're going to do Gay or Asian, their classic story. I didn't know about that, but that's awesome. You don't know about Gay or Asian or Metro or Asian? It was a famous magazine story. This one didn't age well. Unless we bring it back on an Instagram-based magazine platform. I mean, I think that... the instagram based magazine platform is it is all text all the time right yeah i experimented with photos for a brief period but it has to be all because you know all the other all text ones like the the guy like the fashion guy he i think once he started getting paid he had to start putting pictures which one is that style not style.com that shit is so well it's just regurgitating there's no real there's nothing

there like it's so i find that so annoying i find that so boring opposite of shod magazine yeah well unfortunately he's also opposite making money no i know i know i know yeah bank account on opposite yeah i know i know um and i'm aware and that's my cross that's my cross to bear i'm not saying i'm not saying you won't cross i'm not saying either no no i think nike paid me a small amount of money for two posts nike okay so you got some nike spawn con yeah what did we write about um i wrote about going to the club because they had a new shoe that was somehow about the club Sure. You decided not to wear that. And then you got clubbed. And then I interviewed the musician Igloo Ghost. Okay, I'm out. Igloo Ghost? Yeah. Bro, take that. What the fuck are you talking about? Who the fuck is Igloo Ghost? That's the point. It doesn't matter. I still got paid. I'm not. But I'm a fan of Igloo Ghost, though. Okay, what is Igloo Ghost? Sort of an electronic artist. Oh, you don't say someone named Igloo Ghost is an electronic artist? Who would have thunk? It's like, um... Does it rock? want us to explain you know what it's like it's like if a straight guy made arca's music i'm out all right the whole thing that's straight arca that's good i don't think we need a straight arca that's the thing that's what you think until you hear igloo ghost so you're telling me that you're saying a nike a global conglomerate sportswear brand is doing what did they do with igloo ghost he dj'd at their potty for the shoe that's about okay that's fine that's fine yeah do you think the shoe is cute I don't remember because they gave it to me and I left it at a friend's house. But it seems super comfortable. It seems super comfortable. And I love my friends at Nike. They seem super comfortable. I love my friends at Nike, too. Nike's the only brand that matters. I can't really wear a branded shoe like that. You can't wear a sneaker? I can wear a sneaker. I'm wearing one right now. That is not a sneaker, bro. That is a weird little freak shoe. Well, as I said, I got tendinitis from wearing my Alexei sneakers on.

Those aren't real sneakers. Real sneakers are made by Nike, Adidas, and New Balance. You don't wear any shoes with a brand, with a logo or anything on it? Sometimes. I mean, this has the... No, when you're a pure gym, when you're a pure gym, what are you wearing? That's funny. But like the Nike or the Adidas logo, it's not really conducive to my whole... Like you said, like I'm wearing jeans with butterflies on them. I'm wearing a crepe. Sweater with cropped sleeves. I'm wearing, you know, a stripy shirt. I've got this huge puffy bag with stars on it. You could put these Sambas on with that right now and be fine. 100%. If you had Nikes on right now, you would suddenly instantly look a mess out of nowhere. I think that's true, though. I think I would look a mess. There are some that I like. I like the Pro Sale Nikes. The ones that look like a grandma's couch. Yes. The 90s. I consider debadging the shoe. Tough to do. Yeah, but it's hard to do now that everything's plastic and it's all just squished together. How do they make the shoes? They just take all the plastic, squish it together. There's no stitching. They do, though. They do. There's a lot of squishing. Nike especially. I don't know if there's more stitching, I would say, because it's more like that kind of profile. But the Nikes are all just like... Not wearing sneakers ever is crazy. I wear sneakers. They're just not... No, fashion... Oh, you know what I have? I have Salomon. Salomon Mary Janes. Your Sandy Liang, Solomon, Mary Janes. And I have the non-Sandy Liang ones. I'm sorry. Solomon, Mary Janes aren't sneakers. Those are shoes for women. Well, functionally, they serve the purpose of a sneaker. You know what could have hurt the top of your foot? pulling that Mary Jane strap too tight. Something to think about. And it does. Yeah, I knew it. Something to think about. Especially now that shit's a little swollen. You're speaking like someone with experience wearing the Mary Janes and you know how you can pull them too tight. I tried on Mary Janes once at the Tom Brown, at a Tom Brown event because Moses Sumney was wearing them and we wore the same size so he traded shoes and all the gays were gassing. Two queens, mama, we are not the same. All the gays were gassing me up. All the gays were like, those look amazing on you.

everybody else was like bro take those off when you when you and moses pull up to the asheville um the asheville tom brown boutique and just trying each other's clothes for a little bit by gay guys into putting mary jane shoes on i'd always want to try i always want to try moses somebody not gay i know but the shoes oh right he's just you guys were just doing gay stuff together well the he had we wore the same size and he had them on he doesn't really see gender he's so we traded i'm saying he had he me he wore a size 12 and i wore a size 12 so it was easy to trade is what i'm saying right right it wasn't it was in an event it wasn't at a it wasn't at the store trade he says I chose my words carefully. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I chose my words very carefully. I forgot about that. Trade is, the word trade is, it's beyond the pale. I'm traded out. We're using trade. If you follow Chalita on Instagram, you're traded out. I know. Well, her trade, you know, she's, you know, doing all the things for her trade. She's like buying, giving him her gifting. Like, you know, he's a skinny, skinny rock guy. Yeah, he looks good in cuckoo intimates for a guitar player. You know, it's like, is that trade? Like, should you be the provider in your trade relationship? I don't know. I personally subscribe. Jason and I both famously subscribe to classic gender roles. We drive. We fix stuff. He fixes stuff around the house. That's sort of Trade's job. Trade takes the garbage cans out. Trade washes the dog's booties. Alex won't take the trash out. I take the trash. There's never... If you're in a partnership with a diva... You can't do any of that stuff, baby. You got to take the trash out. I take the trash out. That's a man's job. I don't take the trash out. So yeah, yeah, that's, you're right. Are you the missus? We've talked about this before. I don't like talking about it, actually. I do. I didn't think, I didn't know you were the missus. Well, I just don't want to take the trash out. If you get married, are you wearing a dress or what's the vibe? He just doesn't like trash. I just don't like trash. Trash is nasty. You're like, yeah, I'm the missus. If it means I don't have to take out the trash, I'll do anything. Yeah, it's kind of my vibe. He'll gladly iron the curtains if it means he doesn't have to bring the bins out. But who's doing the washing up and the cooking? I'm doing the cooking. Liam is... Hurry again. Hey, babe, I'm home from the studio. The house stinks a little bit. Guys, fellas, fellas, please, please.

He crossed the line. Many cultures make curry. I don't like food smells. That has nothing to do with curry. I love a delicious curry. I'm often making a polite vegetable stir fry or some such. You say a polite vegetable stir fry? Where are you getting your produce? Tesco? There's a row of three Asian grocers on my street and I go to all of them in a row. And do they fuck with you? Yeah, well... Did you try to return some pea shoots? Two of them do. You know, it's more about me. So the Vietnamese one, which is the first one. They're like, look, bok choy, once you buy it, it's yours, okay? The other day, she tried to tell me how to cook the kailan, and I was like, I don't need you to tell me. What's kailan? It's just like a Chinese green. So you're like, I don't need you to leave. Compare it to a green, I know. I just felt so patronized by her. And I didn't like it. And I've been going there less. But then the third one, which is the best stock, they don't have my favorite shallot sauce, my favorite condiment lately. You can probably get it on amazon.co.uk. You can't, but you can get it on a website called orientalmart.co.uk. So I've been thinking about making an account. You guys are old school over here. Yeah. I've been thinking about making an account on oriental what? orientalmart.co.uk. Yeah. What is shallot sauce? It's really good. Him mispronouncing shallot, I believe. You just mispronounced it, honey. How am I supposed to say it? Shallot? Well, when in Rome, in London, you would say shallot, yeah. Yeah, but we're not. In this hotel room, this is U.S. soil. This hotel room. Like, you've gone through customs, and now you're in U.S. soil. This is a sovereign room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. 810 is sovereign for the time that I'm here. He's been giving on his room over all the time. I see you're rocking the iPhone app, Chris. How's it going? Greatest thing I bought. I love it. Can I hold it? It's amazing. Feel it. Oh, my God. Holy moly. It probably could charge three jewels at a time. Your background is a photo of some highways. That's the famous Spaghetti Junction of Atlanta, Georgia. Oh, really? By Roe Etheridge. Do you know about... Throw your A's up, Jason. Hell yeah. Show him what the fuck is up. He thinks he's good here. He thinks he's good. You're not good on Campbellton. I've actually made a lot of friends from Atlanta recently.

The guys from Lower Town, my young friends. Oh, yeah, yeah, we talked about this. And then Alex, who you met. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's from Atlanta. They're not, if they ain't from my generation, if you weren't around, if you didn't see Masked Down play for 100 people. Then they didn't. They definitely didn't. I'm joking. 15 years younger than me. They went to preschool with Mastodon's kids. I mean, I wish I've never seen Mastodon play, but unfortunately, we're all subject to... My only interaction with Mastodon is Feist's weird ongoing collaborations with Mastodon. There's a lot of that. Yeah, there's a lot of that. Have you gotten docs lately, or are you good? No, not lately. The last one was Harry Styles. Because you ripped Harold Stylish. Yeah, but I'm actually reviewing a couple of his shows in London. Mate. So let's see what happens. All right, well, I'll come back. Let me know the dates. I think I'm going on the 13th and the 16th. That 8th. When is this next month? This month. Oh, it's because he's in Amsterdam now and he comes. Okay, I didn't realize. I thought he took a break. That's why Shania's in town to play the Shacklewell on Saturday. Oh yeah, because Shania's opening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not a Shania guy? No, no, of course. It just feels a little, it's, you know. Say more, Chris. It's weird that Shania Twain and fuckers could be, could have the same slot. Like Jamie XX opening for is. makes so much that's like all right perfect that makes so much sense to me that that's a good pairing like everybody will be happy with that shania twain is great it's a little too random fuckers are great as well those three i mean those the thing about harry styles fans is they don't give a shit who it is they love it yeah so it doesn't really matter i like that harry did one night for the older it's cool older people and i think there's a large enough subset of people who are going to be so stoked that shania is on that bill definitely And enough to fill the ocean. And they have like a relationship, right? Didn't he sing? He's like brought her out or she's brought him out. They've had sex together. Who knows? No, she famously did a husband swap with her best friend. Her ex-husband, the coolest name in music, Mutt Lang. Yeah, Mutt Lang. Producer Mutt Lang. As my friend was saying to me on text the other day, one of the worst faces in the biz. Mutt? Yeah. Well, it's tough to live up to that name. Face like a mutt. Yeah, truly, truly. So you're going to go review Harry's shows and what have you heard?

so far open mind i will have an open mind i've seen him before and i've really liked it um but that's kind of how you became a fan no i became a fan because i love the music i've never seen him play the only person we saw oh we saw him at coachella i know jason is turned at coachella he's like you're i get it this is really good this is a good show because that last album had some good songs on it this one has two i've really american girls american girls i don't american girls is too too cold play for me but i like um taste back taste back is also great If we want to talk about new music, though. Oh, okay. We've got to talk about Tuck. I've been up and down. I love him. We're talking about role model. We're talking about Chuck Timely. We're talking about Chuck Timely. A.K.A. Tucker. A.K.A. role model. He's unveiled his new alter ego, Chuck Timely. Oh, I'm familiar with Chuck. Oh, I know you're familiar. I know Chuck's in the family. Jason's like, oh, DHL's here again for Chuck Timely. Okay. Our family is happy to source for Chuck. I love to source for Chuck. Chuck's wearing a fucking Hanover hoodie right now, you know, somewhere. Is he really? I mean, we'll see. Yeah, hopefully, hopefully. I mean, when he's working out on the cars in his garage, you know, he's going to zip it up. I remember receiving that package. Yeah, when he's redoing the spark plugs on the Cutlass Supreme. Babe, babe, Dakota, it's cool. I got to fix the upholstery in here. Oh, my God. He's totally dating Dakota Johnson. Oh, my God. It's crazy. The guy's on the top of the world. And he's in the Lena Dunham movie. Oh, is he? Yeah, with Natalie Portman. Oh, that's why she was Sally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never acted before. And I think he's like the leading man of the film. It's crazy. But he would be good. You can just tell. His audition must have slayed. You can tell from the way he. acts in the world that he would be a really good actor okay so i i think it's good i listened to it 10 times i think it's it's almost good i think he's trying to get that sally sauce like a bit too much i don't i think it sounds like you're right i think it sounds like billy joel if it was written by rascal flats for a gen z which is kind of a sweet weird that is a sweet spot for you i never thought we're more rascal than joel

Rascal Flatts has some of the greatest songs ever written. I found out after we were talking about Rascal Flatts yesterday, he didn't write that song. I won't bore Jason with Rascal Flatts lore, but my point is that I think that the Billy Joel of it all was surprising to me, and I don't know why that's sticking out to me, but I'm not wrong, right? i don't really know anything about billy jolly except i did watch the documentary which was amazing which is like so good people hate people hate him but it's also like the great american songbook vibe so yeah i people people are just like he is the the number one he he and he kind of quit making music because he was like i'll never be as good as i was during my hot streak i think that's a cool way to do it yeah but then but then i don't think he's just an annoying prick who happens to yeah i think that's what people don't like about him is that he's like rich and like kind of doesn't give a he's like kind of not that rich well he is now but he lost all his money because his business manager stole all his money that's a just a badge he's lived kind of a sad life except he obviously he was married to that supermodel uptown girl christy brinkley yeah yeah yeah yeah uptown girl all-time great yeah i don't know if that made a rolling stone list or whatever but i'm sure it did imagine just driving down the road and putting uptown girl on the stereo i would feel no if uptown girl comes on the radio i leave it great song what i'd rather listen to that than fucking igloo man or whatever it sounds like i'm listening to like the greece soundtrack it does give a little bit of that but you have to i mean it's from that era yeah that's a lot of that's like a lot of music of that era i'm a bit like it doesn't you can't put it in a playlist you know you could you couldn't oh i don't want to hear it i don't want to hear it when i'm in abercrombie on its own it's it's music that you don't listen to it's it's songs that are played yeah i don't people like defend steely dan and i'm like okay this shit sucks who cares like the way people are so passionate about it i'm just like what's the big i'm not passionate billy joe i mean i think with steely dan it's the same with the grateful dead it's like a lot of people see it as a substitute for like having a

real personality or real taste. But I do believe there's a lot of people in my life who actually... I mean, Steely Dan's fine. I'm not mad. I'm just like, the way people talk about it, I'm like, am I missing something? Have you guys heard Wilco? Like, what are we talking about here? We don't need to screen print 150 long sleeves. We don't need the Aja bootleg. Like, it's all good, dude. We don't need the Steely Dan. Grateful Dead is different because it's a true cultural juggernaut where the design is... maybe more important than the music yeah i guess i guess i mean i think the silly design is kind of good it's just weird it doesn't but i'm saying it doesn't have the same the grateful dead logo could get recognized in like a jungle somewhere like coca-cola or fedex i know but that's that's a problem with it now that's why people sell that's why it's like the nirvana smiley face um which i i've been considering buying a nirvana smiley face t-shirt i think i hate to say it but you could pull it i know i think it would be really funny um but it's like that it's like that's why they can sell it at like hot topic and stuff um you know they sell wednesday t-shirts at hot topic now so sick so cool i saw her celebrating it she's on the new weezer song i haven't heard it she's in the video yeah produced by class island do you know kitty beats produced it all and and class island who the fuck is that he produced all of robin's hits Oh, like a big dog. Yeah, so I interviewed him for this Robin story I did at the start of the year. And I was like, who are you in the studio with? And he was like, well, you can't tell anyone but Weezer. Wait, is he good? It might be good. I haven't listened yet. I like that they put Carly in the video. That's sick. Yeah. Did you see Zandy posting that he's in the last five seconds of the song and you can't hear him? But he's still really stoked about it. What is the... The Robin was a flop, right? Let's be honest. it's a really good album okay but let's talk about people are not buying tickets to the shows i thought that came and went quickly i think it did it did because it sucked be honest i think i think it's a really i think it's probably i didn't listen to it because i think it's probably her best record maybe

front to back but people have sort of moved on from her whole shtick maybe maybe people just i mean i think people just want to hear her play dancing on my own and then that's it but that's why it's weird that people aren't buying tickets to the shows because because i thought now people just buy tickets to go see their like three songs that they want and i think i mean robin tickets are also relatively affordable in the scheme of things yeah exactly but i saw robin play a few months ago but it was like A free thing with APC, I think. Spotify. For acne. Spotify. Oh, yeah. I was there. In LA. Yeah, yeah. And I think everyone there was like, I love Robin. It's my duty as a gay person to go see Mother when she comes to town, but only as long as it's free, brought to you by Spotify. I'm not going to spend $[redacted address] I would. I mean, it was pretty crazy scenes outside, people trying to get in. Because it's free. That's what he's saying. People want to be, because they want to get in. It's not even about the music. I don't know. I think it could, I mean, maybe her doing these Harry Styles shows will help. I mean, she's a legend. like that was a lot i read a lot about it and then it came out i never heard a peep i think it's just because she's old now i think the way like when she performs she was old before yeah i mean that's kind of true but like she crossed into like when i was watching her play i was like this is good i like these songs some of them yeah some of them now but it has the energy of like when you're watching somebody perform on snl and the band's like performing like they're on tv and it doesn't so it feels like i'm just watching a live performance on tv Versus like, I'm at a unique concert event? Maybe. I mean, I saw her again a few months after that and I was like, this is amazing. What were you on? I was on nothing. Except alcohol. That counts for something. That does count. Because how old is she actually? She's like 45? Robin's got to be older than that. No, she's much older than that. Not much. She ain't 45. Jason's 45. She's not yet 50. I mean, she had a... She's got to be 50. She's been making music since the 90s. Yeah, but she was like a teen star. That's true. Don't Robin-splain me, bitch. Let's get it up. She's 46. That's a Hollywood age. We stand corrected. Or she's lying. I don't think she's lying. Well, I think that somebody could be lying.

The Swedes lie a little bit. Swedes lie a little bit. I don't think the Swedes lie. No, you're right. They're truthful people. Humorless, but truthful. Yeah. I love them. They're my favorite people. I want to make it over there this summer. I want to make it to Stockholm. I'll hook you up with my boy Barclay. He's the mayor. What's his vibe? He's from LA. He basically runs the fucking house mafia there. He's like a guy we've known forever, but he moved there like eight years ago or something. It helped me understand it a little more. He's a legend. Because he can kind of explain like... i went to visit him once at work and this person just stared at me in this way that was like uncomfortable and i was like what's up with that he's like they just do that man and i'm like i'm like what does it mean he's like nothing like i'm like is she trying does she like like the way i look or hate the way i look he's like don't know you'll never know so it's giving take a picture it'll last longer Yeah, like in America, if you did that, it'd be like, you want to fucking fight, pussy? Like that would be the vibe. It'll be like you at Sky Blue Sky Festival. We don't talk about that. Can I help you cut? I heard, unfortunately, that that fight did come across Tweedy himself's desk. And he thought it was funny, I guess. But it was like it came up. Principal Tweedy signed off. Tweedy was like, I heard they almost got in a fight at the festival. And I was like, well, I didn't instigate. That's what happens when you start booking these right-wing podcasters. It would be a little indie fast. Tweety tries to open up a new audience, and it's like... I bet there were plenty of right-wingers in the house. That was Chris's Charlie Kirk moment. Honestly, somebody was going to hit me in the ear. Imagine if I got shot and killed at the Wilco Sky Blue Sky Festival for talking too loud when Wilco's playing full volume. That would happen to you. Bro, that's going to kill the How Long Gone Tour. If I got shot at a Wilco festival or beat up, that's what I said. I was like, I can't get aggressive with this guy because if I get beat up at the Wilco festival, I can never live that bad. Also, to go to Mexico and get beat up by a white guy. That is fucked up, actually. Consider Chris gets shot in the line of duty, you know, talking shit. Jason becomes an Erica Kirk type figure. You know, suddenly all these doors are open for you. Suddenly you're kind of, you know, you're in these rarefied spaces. You finally get to go.

I use his death to slingshot me into the cultural conversation. You finally get invited on Kill Tony. It's finally. I show up wearing one of his old tees. Power move. You host SNL. This is actually Chris's Gorilla Biscuit shirt. Rest in peace, brother. I manage the estate now. I would make Jason CEO if I died. But you would never do that before you died. No, no, no. So then they would have no... He'd be like, no, he was going to make me see you. He was going to make me see you. If you want to make this official. No, I'm good for now. I mean, I don't know. Somebody might want to kill me. Are you guys in each other's wills? They don't know. Would you guys put each other in each other's wills? Definitely. I mean, we don't got shit though, but like in theory, yeah. Silence from Jason. Once we have assets. I mean, I wouldn't give him an asset. I would give him something sentimental. Right, right. Like I wouldn't, like he doesn't need my money. Yeah. Jason, my collection of the New Yorker. Yeah. No, I would give Jason, I would give Jason something that, you know, maybe. Yeah. Your photo books or something. No, he doesn't care about that. I would find something that he cares about. Cookware and stuff. Yeah. All that cookware that I have. All that cookware that you have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Things like that. I do have a really great toaster I would leave you. Oh, you could just do it. 400 bucks. You could do like a mail forwarding thing where he just gets all your free stuff in perpetuity. That's a great idea. All your foam rollers, all the shit. Oh, wow. Another hyper ice. This is amazing. That's a good idea. Yeah, hopefully I get off. Hopefully somebody finally gets the nuts up, pulls the trigger. What public appearances do you have coming up? I'm sure we could identify it. Tonight in Mayfair, but this will be out. If it happens in London, it'll likely be more of a stabbing. Yeah, I don't want to get stabbed. I'd much rather get shot. Not a heavenly way to die. Yeah. Well, I'm looking to get one-shotted. What's that? That should be your new nickname for when you become a Twitch streamer. One-shotted. One-shotted. What is that? So we just boom, bang. One-shotted. It's like a Gen Z slur, like a slang. Slang, not slur. Oh, well.

for like when it's like call of duty like you know one shot no scope instant kill instant death you know yeah when somebody drops a truth nuke on your ass and you get one shot that's what i'm doing to my career my my fledgling career with this podcast where i've yeah probably said something racist no you haven't you can't yeah so true so true so true leave that to us yeah we're here for you all right how long gone thank you for listening london we love you it's been a great trip thank you partners at Bista Village for having us out in the country. All roads lead to Bista Village. All roads lead to Bista Village. Thank you, Shad, for coming all the way to Central. Thank you. Lumping all the way. Lumping all the way from my home. Get yourself fixed, bro. We're going to have lunch. Oh, yeah. We got to figure out where to go because I can't. I don't know if I can do DSM two days in a row. All right. Thank you for listening. Howlonggone.com is the website. We're back next week with more regularly scheduled podcasts. We got some guests. Let me see who it is. And make sure DM Chris your lunch spots in London. He wants to hear about them. It's not true. Please don't. Please, please, whatever you do, don't. Here's my unofficial guide to Shoreditch. There's a new way to Sweetgreen. Meat wraps. Handheld, hearty, and made for life on the moon. With bold, chef-crafted flavors, fresh ingredients, and over 40 grams of protein, they're built to satisfy without slowing you down. Try wraps today in the app or at order.sweetgreen.com. Available at all participating locations.