009. - Flynn McGarry

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cooler and more interesting and more important but it falls into a similar revisionist history of like people think it's so groundbreaking and love it and it's so cool but it was also just kind of like battle turn of radio music well you know a lot could be said about the music that you listen to my friend oh no but he's aged amazingly like what he's done with his career is masterful I agree. He's awesome. I really like him. I think he's really interesting and smart. I just think the music is kind of like whatevs. It was for a certain type of person that had an industrial destructive edge, and you are not caught from that cloth. I don't know what you have to be mad about, but it sounds like you are caught from that cloth. No, I mean, I have distinct Nine Inch Nails memories of being like a little kid, like, I don't know, like 10 years old or something. And I remember taking apart electronics and shit and listening to Nine Inch Nails and being like, I'm a fucking techno future hacker. What the fuck is wrong with you, Jason? Don't admit stuff like this publicly, dude. You know people can hear this. Look, I think that some people have that bug, the tinkering bug. You want to take stuff apart, put it together. I think it's a sign of... Genius is a strong word, but supreme intelligence could be said. I would say the words intelligence and supreme have never been used in the same sentence next to each other before, especially when referring to TJ. Thank you. Yeah, that's fine. I don't think that I don't have that bug. We know. You were listening to R.E.M. at the time. Oh, you mean good music? You mean big, big, giant heat? No, I wasn't even listening to R.E.M. at the time. Actually, I didn't not like R.E.M., but I didn't critically understand how important R.E.M. was until I was an adult. Yeah, nobody did. You know what I mean? Because we were kids when they were coming out, and they were like, oh, same thing as U2. Well, U2 is uncool, though. R.E.M. is cool.

Yeah, that's kind of true, but there was a time when U2 was cool, but that was before. U2 has made important songs, but if we compare Bono and Stipe, Stipe is a legend and Bono is a clown. 100% agree. Stipe is still very cool. He's amazing. He's also aged amazingly. And he's from Georgia, baby. What do you want me to say? I know. And with U2, I never could get past the fact that the guy was like... I'm the edge. That's my name. I mean, I will say this, and I might have said this before to you, but I saw you two at the garden and it was hot fire. I'm sure. I mean, they're known for putting on a great show. I've only seen them live in the, I think it was in the Entourage movie or it was on an episode of Entourage where Ari scores them ticks to YouTube at Dodger Stadium. And oh man, that's. But there was a time where that was a real thing where like every year U2 would come to LA and they would come to New York on, on their world tour. And that was the hottest ticket in town. Like every celeb, every movie star was there. I mean, to be fair, this was kind of that vibe too. But I think it was, it was, but the show was amazing and they do. I mean, some of the songs are just undeniable, but it's one of those bands that's ruined their, like Bono's image has ruined their. kind of catalog, their, their history, you know, their legacy. Right. And he, and he also ruined Dolce & Gabbana glasses for me as well. I know you were a big wearer and I wonder why you stopped. So I guess that I, we can, we can, we can chalk that up to, to Bono. Bono. Bono. So what's, what's going on in your world, Chris? How's your, how's your journey been going? I mean, journey's pretty good, honestly. I mean, I did a nice long run today. You said you were running one mile? One hour? I ran for an hour, and then I checked my data, and it was 8.2 miles, so I was kind of booking. Daddy booking. Daddy, not crazy, but like eight minute miles, which I didn't think I was doing that, but I think I get in the zone, and I don't realize I'm cruising. No, that is impressive.

I think you're going to be one of those guys that you see the 60-year-old dudes running around where you're like, damn, this old man getting it. That's what I would like to be. Because I look so young for my age that it's going to be a while. But yeah, I think I could have it. Not unlike a Bill Clinton type of guy. I don't know how he's doing it, but the cat can run. I know. He's powered by Jeffrey Epstein's blood. Well, we're going to get into that today. Don't worry. He does Jeffrey Epstein blood facials to really keep himself useful. Or at least he did until all this mess happened. Exactly. Exactly. So today on the show, we're talking to longtime friend, young man, chef Flynn McGarry. Little Flynn. as we like to call him. Yeah, he's known as being kind of like a child chef, prodigy person, you know, over the last 10 years has grown into a young adult man who has his own restaurant in New York. There was a documentary about him like a year ago. I saw it. It's on the plane. It was on Delta. It's on the plane. There's some voiceover cameos from... From your boy. Oh, God. Can you stop with the self-promotion, please? Jesus Christ. We're trying to pump Flynn up. It always comes back to TJ. Coming from you. Come on. I do it right, baby. I make it look good. It is a crazy story. And he's, you know, a guy who's had a crazy life. And we became friends with him a few years ago. And we've podcasted with him over the years. And he shares our same sensibility. We kind of treat him as our... young young brother i would say more of a son but yeah brother's nicer um okay i treat him as my younger brother and you treat him as your son and he treats us as his two dads that are i don't know it is it is a weird because he is like very successful very talented and very young and then we're just kind of like somehow also a part of his life

We're not young or successful. I will say that. That's sort of what I was getting at without being too self-deprecating. But I think that he has a new project that he's working on. I'll let him tell us about it. But when I saw him pre-core, he was working on something new, which is always exciting. I love to see young minds expanding their output to the world. That's awesome. damn that's hey you know what that's really cool to like do stuff you know um so we're gonna we're gonna buzz him up we might have a few questions from our listeners as well um and then we'll get in sure all right i'll holler at him this episode of how long gone is brought to you by a new podcast from the guardian stateside with kai and carter this is covering a lot of our bases jason it's a it's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world and i know you particularly have quite a lot of questions a lot of questions but how often because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot how many times do they do three times a week and i i have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do that's just a guess the guardian is not some billionaire owned They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you.

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That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. If Flynn was dating a chick with a Samsung, I would have hung up the phone. I don't date no green phones. Green phone? No green phone. So you're walking from your apartment to your restaurant. How long have I walked with that? It is. I'm three doors away from the restaurant. We love that. So it's about two and a half minutes. What are you doing, bro? How has it been so far for you? I'm good. I was upstate for two weeks. Not so much of like I'm scared of New York City, but it's like I might as well use this as a vacation. So I went up there to finish. writing a book. Wow, it must be nice. Is that the same one that you were working on a while ago? I don't know if you're allowed to talk about it. I can talk about it. I've been working on a children's book. It's for 10 to 12 year olds. There's a decent amount of writing. Can you explain what happened? Just give us a plot synopsis. Well, I mean, it's about me, but it's essentially a book about how cooking and creativity kind of come together. So the idea is that it's a book that you could read as a kid that's really into food, but you could also read it if you are a kid that's just really creative and want to read something about how the creative process sort of works. Nice. So it's sort of a more... It's going to be called This is Not a Spoon, kind of about how the way that if you don't really know anything about food, the way that you can look at food versus the way that I look at it or someone else who looks at it with a more creative sense. I look at it as fuel, so it's a little different for me. So this book is for you, Greg. Perfect. This book is for you to look at and go, I know food is fuel, but it can also be something really interesting.

and can also relate to a lot of other creative processes. Is it going to have illustrations or photos? Illustrations. Oh, nice. Because Chris needs the pics, you know what I mean? Yeah. No, it can't just be straight writing. He works on a visual medium. Also, I was like, let's put a bunch of illustrations because the more illustrations, the less writing I have to do. You know, Flynn, since you and I are both authors, Jason can't relate. Published authors. Published authors. It's just nice to kind of have some stuff to fill out the storytelling. Yeah. It takes some of the weight off of our already very heavily weighted story. Exactly. I have the entire world on my back, and you want me to write more? It's honestly terrifying. I will have a book one day, you guys. Don't worry. I know you will. I know you will, Jason. No, didn't you do that cookbook? That was published by me. So he is also a published author, published by Chris Black. That was actually really cool and fun. I really enjoyed that process, and the recipes were really fun. Yeah, I was thinking about pulling that out and throwing it up on the internet just as a little fun giveaway. You should do that. That was fun because we did sell out because we always sell out on this side. We sold out. I think you sold out of your book as well, Chris? I wouldn't go that far, but it did pretty well. It's in print, so if you have your copy, you better hang on to it. Is it still on Amazon? I'm sure there's some on Amazon because people resell them after they pour over it for years and years. What's that? their dog-eared copy to friends and family. Yeah, why don't we give a shout-out to you? What's the discount like? What'd you say? What's the discount like? Oh, you can probably get one for a penny at this point. All right. What's the title of the book so people who may not know can go find it? I know you think you know it all. Advice and observations to stand out in public and online. A little wordy. Can we maybe knock that down?

Is any of that a subtitle? I know you think you know it all. I'm sorry, I can't punctuate vocally, but I thought the listener was smart enough to understand how that would go. The title of the book is good. It is a good, colorful, cute book that you can open up and read through on the toilet. Thank you for describing a book. It really has cover and then inside are smaller pieces of paper. It holds up pretty well, to be honest. It is evergreen, I would say. I'm surprised by that because I never thought through that. But Flynn, anyway, back to you, King. When does this book, when is it dropping, as they say? I would say probably next year, realistically. We're still in the phases of... editing and it is currently with my editor and then I have to do a couple more drafts but it's an interesting very different process for me but hopefully I would say like next spring ideally. Has it been hard or do you think it's fulfilling or both? It took a very long time to like find the voice I wanted to write it in because it's also very strange to write a book about yourself. Especially when you're not talking about doing coke and selling out stadiums or whatever. Chris could pull it off. You could definitely do it. I'm writing about five to ten years ago. It's not like I'm super removed from it. The voice you used was kind of a baby voice? Yes. I ended up writing it Funny enough, the only way that I could physically write about myself as a 12-year-old was writing about myself in the third person when I was younger. And using it as like a... The book kind of is slightly chronological about how the different ways I looked at things as I got older and spent more time doing it. And so it's interesting to write about it because it is... I don't know if you're writing about what you were doing.

If you're writing about it in the way that it's written is when I was 12, it's being written in almost like an active way. Not like, oh, when I did this. That it's very hard to do that when that's not how your brain works anymore. That's definitely the type of thing that you would have to go upstate to finish, I think. Yeah, that was the idea. It was a real like, you know, got to go in the cabin in the woods. I love crank out some pages. I would love to see you. I would love to see you shirtless on a wooden porch, just pouring over the printed page with an old block pen and a cup of Joe. Yeah. I had the full sleepy Jones set on. Wow. Flex. Yeah. He's rich too. He's not just an author. Where do you think the book proposal – where do you think the advance went to? I'm sure you spent on only the essentials. You know what I mean? Only luxury pajamas. So, all right. Well, that's – I think you've spent your quarantine time so far better than anyone else we've talked to. Yeah, I have not made any bread yet. I don't believe you. I've been very proud of. That's bullshit. Did you make a cake, though? I made an olive oil cake. I made that a Brasso olive oil cake. Ooh, that's fire. You know I like that. Now you're pandering to your host. I know. I am pandering. I went there yesterday. That's what you're missing by not being here. It's still open? Yeah. They're doing – my sister's working the counter. Oh, my God. I would love to go support her. But it's like a – it's very well. You don't go inside. It's strange. Do they have the cold brew bottled? They got the cold brew bottled. Nuts, nuts, nuts. I honestly was there, and I was like, I didn't come closer than – eight feet to anyone you don't touch anything it's pretty pretty ingenious well how what's going on we should probably talk about the restaurant like how this is all affecting that and what your plans were and how they changed because i i would love to hear from the first person yeah because well for our listeners flynn flynn has a restaurant but it's it's the restaurant that's more of like a tasting menu style place that doesn't really cater as well to a to-go carry out kind of

food if i'm correct would you i guess you would probably agree with that which is i would agree i feel very you know those are like the restauranteurs who i'm feeling for the most the people who don't really have the option of of pivoting to to go easily well my thing with the to go idea was this mix of like i understand it if you have a significant employees that you want to keep them on for a little bit longer but also if you look at everyone that's been shifting to go most of them stop because it's just not a i mean squirrels stop entirely like if there's anywhere that i feel like could do it successfully it would be a place like squirrel and it's like what do you what are what are the reasons why a place like that would stop is it are they just not making enough money to have it make sense or is it something i think The big thing you have to weigh is like, is the minimal amount of money you're making worth it for the amount of risk you're putting your employees and yourself into? That was my thing was I was like, OK, we so we funny enough were closed for winter. We closed in the winter for two months. And so we were we hadn't even opened yet. This the shutdown happened on our first night of friends and family. um for the new season so like we were gearing to open the next week um and then so it like on that side it was good because we weren't actually open i had one employee um who was actually even he was here on visa and was like i'm not fucking staying in this country and i was like that's totally fair um all right see you loser yeah pussy go home yeah i was like no i mean I would do the same thing. Like you're not, there's no help coming. I'm going back to Italy. Yeah. I told you you weren't built for this restaurant life, bro. I mean, I was like, yeah, I mean, I get that. Like there's no, but in that way also I was like, okay, it doesn't really make sense to then shift to like exerting all of this energy to open as a to-go restaurant and completely change our business model for the reality of not really making that much money.

putting everyone at risk because especially in new york it's like the way that you're getting here if you don't live in the cities you have to go on public transportation so i was just like this it made no sense in general like i think this is a time that like i mean i thankfully can like diversify what i do where like i was able to to then go oh i'm gonna finish the book and work on other projects on the side instead of because my reality isn't only based in the restaurant um so that was like a very beneficial thing that i had that a lot of people probably don't have you have diverse revenue streams going on exactly i mean i literally built no are you talking to other new york restaurant friends and they're just like my life is over this is fucking awful yeah pretty much i mean jesus that's that's the reality That's what it feels like on the internet. It feels like everything I read about the restaurant business is basically like, oh, it's fucked. It's over. Like restaurants are just over as we know it. Yeah. I think it's making everyone realize how dumb this industry is. Like, to be completely honest, like, I mean, as like a young restaurateur, I'm like, yeah, this is why I never want to open another restaurant because you are putting yourself in a position that offers no stability whatsoever. Like I still, even though I own a business and work a full-time job, I still technically work as a freelancer because you don't take a salary if you go in a restaurant. So like, it's this thing of you kind of like, I mean, that's what I've been thinking is like after this, I'm like, wow, it's really interesting just to see how no, like there is no, unlike every, almost pretty much every single other industry right now, there is some sort of easy way that they can shift. And we are the only one that is like, I mean, us and things that support the restaurant industry are the only ones that are very archaic in the way of like, we can't pivot. We can't change our thing overnight. You guys can't do a live stream. No. Yeah, exactly. We can't. I mean, but it's funny. You see how many people have started to try to do that. And it's interesting because it's like now everyone's becoming whatever.

doing like Instagram videos of how to make something or becoming like TV chefs, which is what everyone always kind of hated on. But it's like, no, that is the way to like, you're able to create an income while not being in your restaurant every single day. So, I mean, I'm interested to see what, not so much how these next couple months go, but like what the restaurant industry looks like after this goes like. Yeah, I feel like this was kind of eye-opening where it has always been like a very, very kind of like dumb idea to open a restaurant in a lot of ways. But people don't care about that because, you know, the romance around it and like, what if I do make it and I do become the next, you know, Wolfgang Puck or whatever and I'm going to be a millionaire and it's going to be fine. I feel like the world has been trying to make it harder for restaurants. and bars and things like that to exist over the last 50 years or something. Yeah. I mean, well, it's funny, like when I was opening this restaurant, pretty much everyone I worked for and knew was like, don't open a restaurant. Like what's wrong with you? Like why would you put yourself in that position if you don't have to? And like, that's just where I think it's like, I mean, I also just think there's a bunch of. I mean, unless everyone just automatically gets free rent, like at least in New York, it would say half the restaurants we go to are going to close. Because, I mean, we thankfully have relatively inexpensive rent, but if you have $20,000 rent and you're first to close for four months, no one can kind of really truly recover from that or be dumb to try to. All I can think about in this difficult time is that I had my last New York meal at a late lunch at Balthazar with Sam Hine before this closure. I saw you that day. Yes, and I just think that that really was a send-off. That day felt like an end of time. It was a weird fucking day. The last day in New York City.

I ran into Flynn just sitting, I was just sitting in a park with some people hanging out and just like, I saw so many people I knew that day, but it did feel like. You guys were just hanging out, taking film pics, just really just like living in the moment. You know how it is. I was leaking through. Just being analog. A tattered paperback. Nobody had a cell phone open. It was really cool. Yeah. But it is, it did feel like the end of the world, but I feel like I'm very pleased with myself that my last meal before. My last meal out before Corona was Balthazar. You should feel pleased, but I feel like maybe you were... I feel like that was a little late in the quarantine game to be dining out. That was after things were already... We were already closed. Guys, why don't you fucking chill, alright? It was probably 48 hours late, maybe, but I'm a daredevil. What can I say? I don't know. That was a tricky time for people. Bitch, I saw your ass in the street, so what the fuck were you doing? I was just in the streets. You can still be in the streets. You weren't quarantined. Your ass was painting. Yeah, by myself. First of all, are you making a fucking latte right now? I just made a Cortado. Wow. You know, we have to think about our listeners at home, Flynn, and how the audio might affect their quarantine. Yeah, I know. I thought about that. And also how our listeners aren't able to have a Cortado right now. Maybe they would want that. This motherfucker is steaming milk. See, but this is the thing. In my head, I was like, this is going to mess up the audio, but this is also going to give them a lot of material to make fun of me about. So I weighed them, and I knew that... This is why Flynn's a pro. Flynn's a real pro. Welcome to Hollywood, Flynn. Me making myself a froth espresso drink would give you guys some more weight in this conversation. I mean, my mouth is watering thinking about any sort of fourth wave coffee at this stage. I'm desperate for an obnoxious brew. What's very funny is when I was upstate, I brought the pour over kit and ended up drinking, like, Folgers every day. Really? Yeah, there's something about, like, when you are just, like, doing nothing and, like, drinking multiple cups of coffee, that, like, shitty, like,

Just getting a pound of Dunkin' and pre-ground. Oh, yeah. No, I do the same thing. I do the same thing. Whenever I'm in like a lake house cabin-y type of destination, I don't want to drink fourth wave coffee. You need a vacation from the expenses. It feels wrong. You guys are absolutely demented. I want to be jacked on high quality bean no matter what location I'm in. No, you got to pivot. If you don't pivot, then you're not like... You start taking the fourth wave coffee for granted. You need to deprive yourself of it so then when you return home, you're like, oh my god, I love my pour over. This Cortado right now? Amazing. I've been wanting this all day. The privilege that you have to go open the doors of the place you pay rent on and make yourself a Cortado with proper equipment must be nice. It is nice. That was why I fully understand why everyone... literally every single person left New York city. Um, but I understand like, and why I was like, I want to go back because I have like a really nice space to go to. Um, and I understand the privilege of that, but like, I'm also like, I don't know, Chris, are you really a New Yorker? You're going to, you're going to leave us right now. You want to come to me? Look, bro. I didn't go to the Hamptons like a real jackass. You know what I mean? That is true. You could have done that. I don't. I don't think I've been in New York for three weeks since I've lived there. So that is, I don't know what difference it would make, but I do think that there is like a, I guess the only event I've been in New York for was Sandy and it was pretty insane to be, and that wasn't comparable to this or to not obviously to like nine 11 or anything like that. So it's like, I don't like the feeling of being home in this. Like, I think there's something about like, like, Like when I'm in my house, it doesn't feel any different than like a normal day versus like when I'm forced to be out of my element because of this, it feels like I'm purposely displacing myself because of what's going on. Whereas like you're just in your house, that's all you're supposed to do. And if I'm in my house, then it just feels pretty normal. Are you having a hard time not being able to go to cha-cha matcha? I walked by yesterday and I really...

There was a little pink sign that said we were closed. Damn. A little part of my cha-cha heart broke. My cha-cha heart. Can you guys describe what cha-cha matcha is for our listeners at home who might not know? Chris, I'm going to let you take this one. Everybody who listens to this obnoxious podcast knows what cha-cha matcha is. We have a global platform, Chris. It's a Generation Z matcha emporium where all the employees are almost hot and dress in streetwear. The beverages are good and the scene is even better, I would say. It's like if Jonah Hill was a matcha restaurant. I think it's cooler than that. Come on. It is not cooler than that. No, but I don't think the market is Jonah Hill. I'm trying to think what celebrity it would be. It's a place that you go to as a joke a little bit, not really like a full in earnest. Maybe that's just me speaking personally. Jason, that's because your life is a joke. I take this shit straight. Jason, that's rude. You're thinking you're going to a business as a joke? No, I'm giving them money. I will, you know, there's spite stores and then there are joke stores. I will go to Cha Cha Matcha as a joke. I know there's a lighthearted fashion. Okay, that's a good way to phrase it. I think the pink walls brighten my mood and make it lighthearted. But I'm serious about patronizing that business because I think it's the future. I mean, the same way I go to Cafe Gratitude, you know, kind of as a joke as well. If any business will reopen the exact same, it's Cha-Cha Mach. That's the only thing that's going to recover totally. Cha-Cha Mach is like a McDonald's hamburger. It could last 100 years, not refrigerated. It's the same. It's unchanged. They turn the lights off, they're literally just going to turn it back on and it's fine. That's all that's going to happen. The Calvin Harris Spotify playlist kicks right back on.

They'll find a few new baristas that are all very similar looking. Everybody's hot, but like a little dirty and like had to take the train hour to get to work. Yeah. They're like, Jesus. They like dropped out of the new school to work. A hundred percent. Their parents are so mad. So they're having to fend for themselves. I'm just describing people that I've met that work at John Jumato. Flynn, have you been doing a lot of home cookery? Yeah, it's actually the most home cooking I've ever done. And I fucking hate it. I would die to eat in a restaurant. Same. I actually, I did truly the most bougie thing the first day I got back to New York City. And I'm going to give this pod the exclusive on it. The night I got back to New York City, ordered from Sugarfish. Wow. Nothing bougie about Sugarfish, my friend. TJ hates Sugarfish, you know that. I know you do. Kazunori is another story. Didn't mean for that to rhyme. I will say, though, if you are in an empty New York City in a pandemic, sugarfish is the best thing you're going to get. True. It would take a global pandemic for me to order sugarfish. That is correct. It's a little bougie, but I feel like you should be supporting... local business that needs, that's a small business that needs your dollars more than the Nozawa empire? No, I will say as someone, I mean, I don't know why I should say this, but as someone who knows the people that have it, they are keeping every employee on. Oh, okay. Which is why I was like, oh, they're keeping 600 people. on through this. That's fucking crazy. Versus a lot of people just laying everyone off, which obviously you have to do. But I was like, oh, if they're going to keep people on, then I'm happy to support it. Okay, I support that. As that. I will say, I have only been shopping at Dimes Market, which has been very difficult. Wow, Flynn. Congratulations on being rich, Flynn. I'm really happy to hear that. I was like, I would rather support the small business with my $10 bag of kale.

So they don't have farmer's markets anymore? No, they do. But for the smallest farms, I just deliver. That's the other thing about having the restaurant still is I've just been getting the farms to deliver to the restaurant. But the thing that kind of sucks about right now in New York is there is still nothing growing. I got, I've gotten potatoes and carrots delivered, but there's nothing else going on. Speaking. It's a bad time. Yeah. Which I mean, I actually, when I was upstate, I went to one of the farms we work with and they were sort of like, well, we already expect this month to be pretty terrible. So they were like, as things ramp up, obviously they'll, they want people to do that more, but they're doing better, better than right now. But you know, if there are no more restaurants, then farms will probably. perished a little bit. I've been deeply supporting the local businesses as much as I can. Also, no part of me wants to go to Whole Foods right now. That just seems... Jason, can we get a scene report on the Glendale Whole Foods? I stopped going there because... Too lit? It's too lit. The people there have no concept of social distancing at all. Chris, I have a real question for you. Have you been cooking? For me? Hell no, bro. Come on. No, Alex is cooking. She's a good cook. I think I'm losing weight because of, obviously, the extremely intense workouts, but also the home cooking. I think I've never eaten this much home-cooked food in my life. So it's been interesting for my body. I feel great. Really? But the type of restaurants you were going to before, it wasn't like you were hitting Applebee's. Yeah, but still, you say that, you think that, but I still think it's different. I do. I can't explain. Do you think Suen is adding pounds to you? First of all, I wasn't eating Suen that much because as much as I love it, it's truly flavorful to the point where I couldn't take it. So you have to pivot to once a week. You can't do three times anymore.

I think that was one of my last meals in New York. What'd you say? Did you say Sue N was too flavorful? Exactly. It was exploding in my mouth. It was like, it was too much. I have been to Sue N once on a date. Not my choice. Yeah. What guy did you want you to take him there? Wow. Real, just like, I don't think I've heard a joke. In that category? In so long. In that category? The joke there was that obviously you'd be going with a 20-year-old model who doesn't eat. That was the joke. Thank you for trying to turn it around on me, but no one will ever be able to do that. No one will be able to turn the joke around on you? Well, Jason probably could. He's a surgeon. It takes one to know one. I've made a joke just like that. The food there is truly flavorless. I know it is. It's healthy cardboard. Steamed cardboard. It's honestly shocking how flavorless it is. I think it's flavorless by design. There's certain types of food where you're not meant to enjoy it or indulge in it. It's meant to be spiritual fuel for your journey through life. It is truly the Chris Black of restaurants. Yes. Are you Flynn? Yeah, we need to stop. I wanted to also talk about the new venture because it's going to open eventually. Well, yeah, we're opening a very traditional sourdough-based bakery, which could not have come at a better time because everyone's obsessed with bread now. But we were supposed to open in two weeks. which is a very unfortunate timing because also they just shut down all construction in New York City. So we were planning on opening soon as bread delivered to you. But we can't finish building it. So now we're just sort of waiting. So now we're trying to pivot more towards, in the meantime, being an online resource for everyone that is...

baking bread because the baker, her name's Nora, uh, knows so much about every single thing in bread that like, I don't even know what she's talking about. Um, but it seems like people are really enjoying her talking about like the, the kind of acids that are fermenting when you make sourdough. Um, but I'm, so she's getting into some advanced shit. She's like, I think it's a very funny thing of like, She's been talking like that to me for so long and I've just been like so confused by it. But now because everyone is so interested in every aspect of bread because there's nothing else for them to do that they're willing to talk about the full kind of like bread nerd side to it. But eventually we will open. I mean, I will say though, I like, I mean, even with Jem, like now I'm reconsidering. when this is over the way that restaurants will look, that we will probably... I don't think there's a reality in which we can just reopen the same way that we've been. Same with the bakery. I think there's like a... What are you predicting? What are you thinking? I don't know. I mean, my... Well, for the restaurant, I'm predicting that there's not really going to be a place for fine dining for a while. I think, like, if you look at, like, the way that... Non-essential dining, you guys are the epitome of that. Yeah, well, because, I mean, also, what's funny is, like, what fucked us really wasn't, like, New York shutting down. We shut down because when they didn't allow anyone to fly here, we literally, like, the day that they shut down Europe to come here, we had, like, 90 people cancel because all of our people come in. It's, like, our clientele are... wealthy new yorkers people celebrating birthdays whatever thank you flan thank you yeah wealthy new yorkers people celebrating birthdays well i mean and like non-wealthy new yorkers who are like saving up and coming to celebrate but now i'm like okay whenever all this calms down people aren't going to just be like blowing their money on restaurants um because there's like still going to be a huge uncertainty

Unless, like, everything is just fully, like, goes away. But I don't think that's going to happen. Well, I have a theory. I do think that people that do have the income or, you know, whatever, money, not necessarily income, I think will want – I think the first thing we're going to want to do is go to restaurants and concerts. Like, I think that is the first thing that people are going to want to do. But I don't know if they're going to want to do it at Big Boy Flynn's expensive restaurant. No, but what I think they're going to want to do is, this is where I'm thinking. There's the new name change, by the way. Big Boy Flynn? Big Boy Flynn's expensive restaurant. Big Boy Flynn's would be my fast, casual spot. That's your barbecue so good, make you slap your mama concept? Big Boy Flynn's barbecue. Maybe that's what we'll pivot to. But I know I do think with people who have income who are going to want to go to restaurants and concerts, they're going to want to go like at least I know like for us will probably do really well for private parties because they're going to want to do it in a way where they feel comfortable because if any group of people are so freaked the fuck out about getting anything, it is those people. So I think like there is going to be a huge marketplace for like. private things, private dining parties, like private events. And, but then, so that's where I like, I don't know. I mean, my idea is like, we'll have to pivot to some way of like doing a lot of private stuff, but also then going like, if let's say a bunch of things close in New York and we're lucky enough to kind of stay like open and can exist, like how do we do something that's more community based? Because I think like there is something about like New York in the time after. crisis crises that like there is like this big i mean it's like the whole whatever after 2001 like collective of downtown new york coming together i think i personally think there is going to be somewhat of a resurgence of that because i think a lot of the people who are in new york for the wrong reasons are just like crowding it are gonna fucking get out of here and just not come back losers don't don't let the door hit you on the way out

I think that's what's going to happen. And then it's going to be just us cool people hanging out. A dream. So people are going to wake up and be like, what the fuck was I doing in New York? This is a stinky cesspool. I'm going to go back home to Nebraska where everything is chill. I just think the thing of being uncertain of the future in New York is very difficult because it's very demanding in the meantime. And so I think a lot of people, I mean, I know a bunch of people that left the city and like, I mean, everyone that I know that my age that just graduated college, like pretty much automatically graduated college two months early. And went home. Went home. Went back to Brentwood and they're never coming back. Yeah, they went back to Brentwood and then they'd be like, why am I going to come back to New York with no job security? That's a good point. Partial life security. Yeah, like you're still close bunch of people. There's no real job security right now. Like your apartment still costs the same right now. And like, so that's where I think it's going to look very different here. So, I mean, I'm not making any decisions to change the restaurant right now, but I'm more looking at like the idea that like, at least in my realm of like how I'm in the restaurant industry, like that. my decision to make it less based on me being in the restaurant and that we can sustain as a viable business from doing books and appearance, whatever, like different things. Yeah, you're traveling to Europe and cooking there for a month, you know. Yeah, but like doing things like that is the only reason that we're not going to completely suffer. You're able to pivot and adapt where a lot of other restaurants cannot. And that's where I'm just going to focus more on is like how do I focus more on doing other projects that aren't just the restaurant and can become more of like a Chris Black type where no one knows what I do. First of all, bitch, I'm just grinding like everybody else, just sitting in front of the machine and making shit happen. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaking of that machine, and you were talking about private parties and things like that, have you had any DMs or inquiries from people being like, hey, come on, maybe come over to the house and cook up for us? Or do some sneaky dinners or something? No, not right now. I think everyone's very like, that's just, they don't know. I don't know if I have it, but you definitely have it, but you have a young immune system so you can bounce back. Yeah, I'll be fine. I mean, yeah, no, I'm convinced I'm going to get it at some point, but, um, I, I have had a few people be like starting to look towards like summer and all of that. Um, which I also, I'm like, sure, I'll take your deposits, but I'm like, I like, there is a reality where like, come june or whatever we still can't do shit so um i think everyone's i mean which i think is great for everyone just fucking chill out for a second and like realize that like like anytime even like there's been a few things that people are like oh can you like work on this right now or whatever i just feel very weird talking about things or like you it's like anytime i feel like you see someone promoting something right now there's this huge backlash towards it of like It's supposed to be this time where no one's doing anything. Or if you're doing something, you kind of have to do it a little bit secretly because there's a weird... Stigma. Yeah, there's a stigma that I, as a restaurateur, start doing all this other shit while my entire industry is falling apart. Same for Jason and I when we started this podcast. We're getting a lot of blowback because we want a creative outlet during this difficult time. I think it's misplaced, Jason. There have been a lot of angry DJs. coming at me that I have chosen to do a podcast instead of DJing in my kitchen for four people. Have you considered doing that? I have not. I have definitely not considered doing that. I have considered hosting Jason on my Instagram because I have more followers, but he hasn't agreed yet. He hasn't agreed yet. I'll host you, Jason. For me, I don't have any interest in watching.

Some guy in his living room play Drake songs for three hours. If I'm going to listen to music, I'll just listen to a mix on NTS or listen to music on Spotify or listen to a podcast. I don't want to look at somebody DJing. I would rather just hear their music. The idea of it is kind of pointless because if you just want to listen to music, you've got to keep the... the Instagram app open. There's a lot of flaws to it. The only DJ I want to see visually is Jason when he's lost in the fucking mix smoking a cig. That's my favorite shit. I want to see Alexander Wang party DJ Jason in the shorts. When I think of Jason DJing and smoking a cig lost in the fucking mix with his headphones on, I literally get a rush like I've done Ecstasy. I'm hard as a rock. It's truly demented. I've only seen you black out on the decks a couple times, but it really is a blessed occasion. It brings me back to even when Jason DJed the Chef Flynn after party. We mentioned that in the intro, but what happened with the flick? Did you see the movie comes out, everybody knows about your life? Did anything change? Did people approach you differently? Was there anything noticeably different after that came out? There was a bunch of people that came to the restaurant that just knew everything about me. There were probably a lot of Delta members who suddenly were aware of you. A lot of Delta members. It's funny. It got way more traction in every other country other than the United States. Because it was on, I think, 10 countries. It was on their national television channel. Oh, really? Yeah. danish national channel um so i i like like germany randomly like we i saw mostly of like i would say probably 50 to 60 percent of the people that come to the restaurant are coming because they saw it um which was a great thing but it's also really interesting like we'd have all these like because it fucking it played at like film festivals in florida so we'd have this like florida family show up at the restaurant having no clue what their kind of

getting themselves into and then be really confused the entire dinner but like why why chef flint got some tweezers back there what the fuck he doing no literally and you're like how did you people afford to come here I'm like, why did you just spend all of this money? And then they're like, can you take a photo with our five-year-old kid that we brought to this dinner that won't touch a single plate of food? What kind of natural wine do you think the little guy likes? Let's get him set up. We give him the juice pairing, which is a very... The juice pairing! That's what I would have to have, too. Yeah, we developed a juice pairing for Chris Black and five-year-old children that come to the restaurant. Well, we're mentally the same and our palates are also the same, so it's fine. So the movie, so you're saying it brought people to the restaurant, which matters. Yeah, I mean, I saw it in that way. It definitely resulted in a lot of people coming here, mostly when they're traveling to New York. And they're going, oh, we saw that documentary about that person who has the restaurant in the city. So let's go check it out. That was like the majority of it. And then, but I mean, it came out two and a half years ago now, which is pretty crazy. Damn, really? Fuck, we're old, bro. I know. Time flies. But so like, I mean, two and a half years ago, people kind of... dissipated a lot. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. But, you know, still on Hulu if anyone wants to watch it. You know, I'll add that to my queue here on, you know, this quarantine content. We'll add that to quarantine content. What have you been watching on your quarantine, Chris? Honestly, like, I haven't watched that much stuff. I really haven't. I watch The Office every night because I love The Office and I think it's just a nice thing to unwind to. I did watch the show. You're an Office watcher, Chris? The Office is funny as fuck, bro. Don't even come at me with that. I'd like to think you're better than that. Yeah, it's so mainstream for you. Yeah, it really is. Guys, The Office is fucking funny. Oh, I don't like mainstream. I literally only like mainstream shit. What are you guys talking about? But you're the type of person who I feel like would hate on somebody who watches Friends. Friends is trash. That's the difference. The Office is actually funny. Friends is not funny.

But I would say friends watchers and office watchers are not too far away from each other on the food chain. Well, I would say that all those people also watch Seinfeld and probably Curb Your Enthusiasm, too. So it's tough to say. That is true. That is true. But, you know, office people, there's just something like Midwest. I'm not wearing a fucking Dunder Mifflin tee to Equinox. Relax, dude. I don't know. You're pretty close to it every night. That's a commitment. Yeah, I agree with that, Flynn. I just can't watch. I can't deal, man. I mean, I watched the show that we decided we would never talk about again, which you probably know what we're talking about, Flynn. Oh, yeah. The tiger one. Yeah, and I'm kind of like Matt. After that, I was exhausted. We did watch Last Days of Disco for some beauty, which was nice to get some classic Chloe Sev in the mix during the core. I've been lucky. My girlfriend never watched Sopranos, so we got to watch Sopranos all the way through. I'm finishing the Sopranos. Let me tell you something, guys. Liking the Sopranos is the most obnoxious thing you can possibly do. I didn't say I'm liking it. I just said I'm finishing it. The Sopranos has been ruined by fucking millennials on the internet. 100%. Talking about the Sopranos in the last calendar year was exhausting. I agree with that. It's a classic show. Sometimes the show is just so good it transcends. It's undeniably good. The office has transcended. I think the Sopranos has been ruined by millennials just because of the fashion element of it and not because they're able to appreciate all of the incredible filmmaking subtleties and shit. They're just like, damn, he's wearing a freaking badass Marilyn Manson shirt. That was awesome. Oh, I hate him. Oh, my God. I fucking hate that whole shit. Like, he's wearing a typo negative. That's so sick. So lame. But I do think I would like to watch more intelligent stuff. But honestly, I don't know about you guys, but the days are kind of flying by. It's weird. It doesn't drag. The weekends drag. The weekends, I'm suicidal. But as soon as Monday turns on, I'm back, baby.

I will say I watched some real intellectual shit. I watched the Dieter Rams documentary on Amazon. That was very good. Very good. Made me clean my apartment because I was like, I have too much clutter in my life. Dieter is your Marie Kondo. I love that. I've been watching Party Down, which is a classic. I've never seen that. I've heard it's very good, though. You should watch Party Down. How many seasons is it? I think it's like two or three. Is it on Hulu? It's on Hulu. Didn't last very long. Short episodes. That's actually a great quarantine watch idea. It's a great quarantine watch. It's been my nightly calm down. Highly recommend it. I'm in. It's a little less basic than The Office. People don't really know about it. Flynn, what about Great British Bake Off? Are you one of those guys? No. I don't really watch cooking shows anymore. I did watch some... I had access to cable television when I was... Welcome to the good life, baby. That's where I live. Which was crazy. It is crazy, isn't it? It's crazy. It's a whole new reality. I literally got back to New York City and I was like, I'm buying a television. Fuck having a projector. Honestly, Flynn, projector is like creepy date rapist vibe. For a man or a woman. Having a projector is literally like, babe, once you come back to my place, we'll pop something on the projector. No. Okay. There's two realities of having a projector, though. There's that reality where it's like it's set up. They mounted it to their ceiling. You hide it. Nothing on the wall. You hide it and bring it out when you need it. I hide it and bring it out when I'm going to watch a movie. So you're basically like, baby, come back to the crib. I'll make us some dessert. And I'll pull out the projector and we can watch a movie if it's going that way. No, because there's nothing sexy about trying to set up a projector. You can't charm someone while toggling with the aspect ratio. Hey, babe, babe, can you come in here? I can't. Babe, can you come in here for a second? Where's the HDMI, man? The HDMI is not working. Babe, where'd you put the HDMI? God, it's so annoying. You always put it somewhere different. Where's the adapter? There's too many things going on with it. There's nothing.

Jason knows this. I stand by a full plasma mounted to the wall with cable TV. I didn't realize how cheap. It's cheap as fuck. All of it's cheap. TVs are cheap. TVs are like $400 now for a 50-inch TV. It's fucking crazy. That has everything with it. I found one that literally you just buy the TV and it has everything on it. You can connect to the internet. You use just the TV. It's called a smart TV. Crazy. I'm way behind on this. That's crazy. But I was, I had access to cable television and, uh, I think I watched one episode of, uh, there was an Ina garden episode on, on food network, but like, I don't know. There's just something about food shows. Just don't really do it for me anymore. You know, once you like, no, It's just like, they're just like all so relatively dumb. I was going to say that's how it is. I understand. That's why I don't watch those CrossFit documentaries on Netflix. That's why you can't go on MTV anymore. Exactly. Once I saw how the sausage was made, I was like, guys, I've been on the TRL set. What's the point of watching this anymore? Who cares? Flynn, now that you're cohabitating with your partner, do you have any tips for how to get through all of that? From a young man's perspective, perhaps? From a young man's perspective? I want some fresh eyes on this. I've been going on a lot of walks. Wow. Alone or with her? Alone. Well, I don't know. It was very different when we were upstate versus in the city because I think I'm a person that relies significantly on routine for my sanity. And like when there's another person there. Are you a Virgo? What? Are you a Virgo? No, I'm a Sagittarius. Okay. Continue. But like there's just like a certain amount. I mean.

it's probably good the amount of control you have to give up now. I'm feeling that as well. But I think it's, it's, it's nice to still be able to like have some sense of like, like that's why coming back to the city and like having like, she lives a block away from me. So we're mostly at my place, but like, whatever, if she has to do work or actually work, we're not like sitting next to each other. Like there's a little bit more distance because I like, I think there's, there's been a difference of like when you are, especially like when we were upstate, we were stuck in like a cabin in the middle of the woods and like you kind of, I think at least I took for granted how much like sanity I have just by like walking around the city and having like quiet. How much you ended up needing this crazy old town? No, exactly. I got back in yesterday and just walked around the city for two hours. Now I'm getting hard. Now I'm getting hard. All I want to do is stroll around my beautiful city. No, it's literally the amount of you don't feel cooped up. And then I can just go back to my apartment and stay there for the rest of the time. But the ability to when I want to leave and when I want to go. do something i can do it at any moment is like you i don't know i i think i took that much more for granted than i thought when i went when i went upstate and i was like oh this is gonna be so nice and then i was like oh i want to just go like walk around and then you go walk around in like the fucking woods and you're like i know this it's not the same thing you you need the stimulus it hit different it hit very different it hit and also like it does also like i i i know it like it's funny everyone i know is all like spooked out by like empty new york city um i fucking love it i'm like you like walk around and like look at architecture and like it's like the city is beautiful and everything's blossoming and there's no one fucking around you to like bother you so i mean that's where i think like like my tip is just like as long as like like it's honestly been i'm very glad that i have someone to be quarantined with

I'm not just by myself, but like, I think it's still important for like, especially then once this is over for like us, especially as like people in their early twenties to like maintain their like sense of self and like being able to go like, Oh, I want to go do this thing. Even if she doesn't want to go do it, I can go do it. Not like, Oh, we both need to always be doing the exact same thing at the exact same time. Cause that was like for the first couple of weeks or whatever. I was like, Oh, like, Whatever. When we're both working, we're both working. And when we're both watching something, we're both watching something. Need a little separation, King. Look, we all understand. Everyone on this call understands. Yeah, exactly. Maybe not Jason. I don't know. He's a freak. I understand him more than you, Chris. I will say it's also been very nice of cooking dinner for someone other than just yourself every night. at least makes it like... Or rich people from Europe. Or rich people from Europe. It's very interesting. I keep thinking this is whatever, how I started cooking was just in my house for my family and people. Flynn's going back to basics like Bobby Flay. Back to basics. There's nothing like being in the childhood bedroom in Studio City just making a ketchup at that bed. I tell you what, nothing brings me back. Yeah. That was the reality of it, which is why that joke is really funny. Exactly. You're spot on with that one. I love it, Flynn. I love it. You know, Jason, it sounds like Flynn is thriving right now. Do you think it's just his youthful exuberance, or do you think he's leveled up? I think it's a little bit of everything. I mean, Flynn has always sort of found a way to master life a little bit better than the average Joe, even at an early age. Hello? Did something happen? You there, guys? Yeah. Are you? Did Jason hang up? No, we're here. Something happened. Jason? Can you hear it? No, I can hear Flynn and you. Oh, hold on. Did you put your shit on mute? All right, hello? Hello? Hello? Something weird happened. I don't know. We had some technical difficulties. Damn, you hate to see it. TJ? Yeah. Well, dumbass, where are you at? I can hear you.

I can hear him, too. Oh, weird. I can't hear him. It's so strange. I can hear you. Hold on. Let me try something. Damn. Unbelievable. There we go. Can you hear all of us now? Nope. Jason's still in there. Check, check, check. But Jason can hear us both. It's so weird. Let me just call it right back. Give me one second. All right. I mean, Jason, we can just do this now. Yeah, we don't need his dumbass. Oh, there we go. We got the visual. All right. Well, you know, luckily that timing was perfect because we need to wrap this up anyway. Yeah, how long has this been going on for? About an hour. Yeah, that's fair. Flynn, I love to hear you thriving. Jason, do you have any parting words for our young king? I just had one question, Flynn. A lot of people are obviously doing dumb things like breaking lots of bread and making bad pastas. What are some home cook projects that you recommend as a professional chef? Ooh, good question. Fuck yeah. I honestly would recommend that people work their way up to sourdough. because the amount of just pure failure I'm seeing is depressing. And I think at this time in our lives, everything is about, you know, the little successes. And if you're doing something that's just bringing you constant failure every day, that doesn't seem that great. So, you know, make a focaccia with, make that Bon Appetit focaccia recipe. Yeah, focaccia is very easy and very delicious. Stick to the basics. I would say for cooking projects, like... What about a yogurt making? No, that's whack. No, no, no. Not a yogurt. You can make some ricotta. That's much easier. My biggest thing with people doing projects is I would say like...

I think there's something very dumb about people doing projects that like require them to go get extra shit. Like know what you can do within your limits. And like, my thing is like, I don't know. I'm going to like when I'm cooking at my house, like not the restaurant in my apartment. I'm like, I know I can only do so much here. So I'm going to spend my time doing pasta truffles. Like what can I do? What else can I do? But I'm going to, like, oh, I can only, like, I'm not going to try to fucking make bread in my, like, shitty oven at my house. So instead of making bread, I'm going to, like, do other much more interesting things. Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm doing, like, a chips and salsa course, for example, which has been nice. Honestly? And then some toast occasionally if I'm after, you know, if I need some carbs. Like, people could try to master guac. Shit like that. That's a good idea, Flynn. That's a good idea because I think a lot of people think they're a master and they probably ain't. Also, making salsa from scratch takes a while. You've got to dice all the tomatoes. Great knife work skills. That was how I learned first. You've got to start all the way from the bottom. You can't jump to like, oh, I'm going to now make all these really complicated things that I got in restaurants. You can do that in a while, but realize where you are and just make. shit that tastes good and then watch The Office like Chris Black. That's it, baby. Wow, what a great ender. Then go back to your basic life. Yeah, go back to order that chacha to your house. I'm literally sitting on the couch cross-legged having some homemade guacamole watching The Office in Outdoor Voices leggings and it's fucking killer. Yeah, sitting on your West Elm couch. Exactly. It's fucking fire. Fuck you losers. You don't get it. You don't understand me. I'm getting really into candles now. Is that weird? Is that weird? You're getting really into candles? What kind of candles are you rocking? That was a joke. I don't know. I know Flynn wants to talk about candles, though. We know Flynn. Byredo only, baby. You already know the vibes. I've been getting really into different incenses now.

Well, sure. I've got incense. I have the Noah incense right now, which is like a rose, which is really nice, actually. I love streetwear incense. Honestly, that was the most difficult thing I realized getting back was I was like coming back to – and this is the most insanely bougie thing that I know you guys will love. I ran out of my Santa Maria Novella body wash upstate. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Flynn. Oh, my God. Is that the amount of privilege? Everybody thinks I'm the worst. I think you've taken the crown. Look, no, but I think you still take the crown in a lot of ways. Thank you for that, Flynn. Don't worry. You are still the king of it. I'm actually, I'm using a wonderful eucalyptus Dr. Bronner's Barso because I humbled myself. Oh, wow. I mean, you know, I humbled myself too. I ran out and, you know, you can't, the store is closed. non-essential business, I guess. So you've been sloving it with an Aesop body wash. Aesop's closed, too. You gotta shit. True. I don't even know. I'm borrowing my girlfriend's shirt right now. And it smells amazing. Damn, bro. Flynn, are you wearing the same clothes? Or are you doing quarantine? No, I get dressed every day. Are you going to shave your head like me and Jason? Maybe. What are you going to do about that mop? I woke up today and I realized that I'm bordering on having a lesbian haircut. Because the back of my hair is growing very quickly, but the front is staying the same, so it looks like I'm verging into having a mullet, which I'm not into. Yeah, mullet is very off-brand for you. I'm either going to go full, just grow it out, or... But I don't know how I feel about that. Or I shave it. But I think I'm going to look terrible. We're team shave on this side. And honestly, I'm pretty happy with it. Jason, how do you feel? I'm still adjusting to it. I don't love, but I don't hate. I feel like I look more badass. Yeah, you don't. I don't think I'm going to look good with a shaved head. You probably won't. Yeah, you won't. You need the girth of the hair because you're a little guy. You know what I mean? I might do shave.

some off as like a way to trim it. Um, but, uh, just have your girlfriend cut it for you. If it, if it doesn't work, that scares me. Yeah, it should. Uh, I know. I feel like, I don't know. I, I'm just going to let it go. I'm not seeing anyone. So I, I, I, I've pivoted to finally wearing hats. That that's, that's what my plan is. Classic bald guy move. Bald guy move? That's why you've never had to do it before because you have a thick tuft of strawberry blonde hair. Do you have to get the XL doing things hat because of all that hair? Can you still find a doing things hat? Jason's got 15 on deck. If you look on my Depop, but it's not cheap. It is not cheap during the quarantine. TJ said if you look on my Depop. I would gladly buy something from your T-pop. I feel like if I bought a pair of shorts from you, they would just fit me properly. As pants. Yeah. One thing I did notice as a closing note, there is on the resale market, fitness equipment like kettlebells and dumbbells and things like that on Craigslist. You're doing numbers. They're like three, four times retail price. Super inflated. I would kill for a kettlebell right now. That's why. I have multiple friends who are like, oh my god, you have kettlebells? I've been trying to buy them on Craigslist, but they're like $400. Yeah, people are exploiting. That's like selling masks for me. It's the same kind of thing. If any listener out there has a kettlebell that they want to donate to Chris Black... Yeah, please. Just put it in the mail. 50 pounds, if you don't mind. We'll give you a shout-out. Chuck it in the post. Can't be that much. Chuck it in the bloody post, mate. Give it a wipe down before the... Yeah, I would love a Lysol wipe down if you could. Are you a germaphobe, Chris? That's my last question. No, I'm not. I mean, I'm not a germaphobe, no, but I'm pretty clean in general. I'm not like a freak. I actually hate hand sanitizer. I think it's gross, but I wash my hands. I shower twice a day.

I'm clean in general. You don't seem... Being a germaphobe just seems kind of lame. It is lame. I don't think germaphobes choose to be germaphobes, but it is lame. Yeah, good point. Good point. A little dirt under the nails builds character, I say. Puts a little hair on your chest. Yeah. A little something called grit. Flynn gets it. It's about time America picked it up too. Flynn from the gutter, he's got plenty of grit. You know what it is. Flynn, thank you so much for potting with us, my gritty hardened man. I really enjoyed this. The most social interaction I've had in a while. We're here for you, big dog. We're here for you, big dog. Flynn, tell them where they can find you on the World Wide Web. Dining with Flynn on Instagram. I only use Twitter to follow Chris Black. Yeah, you're more of a visual guy. Hopefully, follow him on Instagram and see what the bread is. Hopefully, some things will be opening soon and some other things will be happening. Maybe I do a DJ set live on my Instagram. Damn. Stranger things have happened. Life comes at you fast, bro. Maybe I'll start poaching some quail eggs. yeah we can just do a little reversal i love that i love that you could follow you can find me on social media at them jeans uh chris black you already know what the fuck's going on hey google um thank you both thank you flynn i appreciate it bye flynn bye